Awareness, Recovery, and the Secrets to Movement Mastery with Josh Holland (Part 2)

Boomer Anderson
October 7, 2020
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I rarely get a chance to speak with someone with as much experiential knowledge as Josh Holland. He's the personal trainer behind many top professionals worldwide! In part two of this conversation, Josh and I dive deeper in his 5 pillars, discuss the perks of having a balance between primal movement and high-intensity interval training, and blood flow restriction.

Who is Joshua J. Holland?

Joshua J. Holland is a wealth of experiential knowledge and wisdom. A dedicated biohacker, state of the art fitness trainer, holistic health coach and sports professional, he champions the philosophy of “awareness through experience,” and has subsequently spent years consulting with elite professionals with the goal to build a vast well in which to draw from when evoking alignment of body, mind and spirit for his clients.

His ideological approach to life and his life’s work are based on principles that highlight effectiveness, efficiency, and quantifiability. His passion stems from kindling a state of bodily wholeness via connection through his extensive web of like minded individuals.

His vast experiential knowledge base has created a very sought after following in the world of health, wellness, fitness and lifestyle. He works with some of the world’s most renowned musical and theatrical artists to fine tune their physical and spiritual bodies. He endeavors to give his utmost through his vast exploration into a plethora of healing modalities for the purpose of restoring people to prime physical and spiritual wellness awareness.

Co-founder of several fitness and health entities, and a Global Ambassador for a number of companies including Technogym, Josh currently leads a team of elite trainers and health coaches at SystimFit in Flatiron, NYC.  He happily serves the greater New York area, including Westchester, Greenwich and the Hamptons, and is available by request for inter-state and international consultations and appointments, either virtually or in person.


[4:47] Ozone!

[12:30] The Movement Analysis Pattern

[23:26] High-Intensity Interval Training

[29:18] What excites Josh about the Inertia Wave?

[34:30] Blood Flow Restriction Training

[42:02] Movement efficiency, effectiveness and quantification


Ozone Generator

Apollo Neuro Device

MAP (Movement Analysis Pattern)

Tabata Protocol Workout

Foundation Training - From Pain to Performance

Inertia Wave

Breath by James Nestor

The Fatburn Fix by Cate Shanahan

Episode Transcript

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today. We're doing round two with Josh Holland and who is Josh? Aside from being one of

my favorite people to talk to Josh is a wealth of experiential knowledge and wisdom. He's a

dedicated biohacker state-of-the-art fitness trainer, holistic health coach, and sports

professional. He champions the philosophy of awareness through experience, which is

something that we got into in round one of this interview and has subsequently spent years

consulting with elite professionals.

And when I say elite, I mean the top of the top with a goal to build a vast well. From those

people from which to draw from what evoking alignment of body, mind, and spirit for

clients, you can hear most of his bio in the first episode, but you can also read it at slash Josh 2. Today we get into more of the five pillars of fitness

and specifically why blood flow restriction training may be interesting to you.

Why. Things like the inertial wave are fascinating to both Josh and I, the Apollo, et cetera, et

cetera. So lots of actionable tips, lots of fun as always on this podcast. But the show notes

for this one are a decoding too. And enjoy this round two with Joshua

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I want to get to movement, but ozone, cause I know you've done a lot of work with those

own. Under what circumstances do you use it? In, particularly for your own life. And where

do you kind of look and say to a client like, Hey, this may

Josh Holland: [00:04:58] ozone is for me, I'm a bit of technology, if you will, or, um, a bit of

this, this whole biohacking space.

That is probably one of my biggest staples. And I have to say, I am very on, I'll make no

claims here, but I'm very happy that I have. Ozone technology of many sorts throughout this

pandemic. And I'll kind of, but, um, you know, I do everything from making ozonated water.

And so I can drink the ozonated water.

Um, I'm not very, uh, I'm a believer in being efficient and not wasting anything. So, um, and,

and we could obviously dive down this hole if we need to, but when you're making ozone,

you know, there's usually there's a, an oxygen medical grade or industrial grade oxygen

component though. The oxygen feeds into a generator.

I'm sure you probably know this, but for the listeners. You know, you've got your, your

medical grade oxygen that feeds into a generator that creates the ozone. And then that

ozone would then either be bubbled through a water bubbler or an oil bubbler, um, just to

make the experience of the ozone field, better to the, to the body.

Um, and so like if I want to make ozonated water, which is something I try to do every

morning, just depends on what my timing is like. Um, if I have an extra day. 10 or 15 minutes

or 20 minutes even, um, I'll make ozonated water. Now When I'm making the ozonated

water, the ozone actually bubbles through the water and then comes out into either a

destruct, which is like this carbon, um, carbon and a charcoal filter, which keeps it from

going into the, into the air, into the atmosphere like that.

You don't breathe it in because if you breathe it in, it can be very harmful to the lung tissue,

right. Um, But if you do it right, you actually can breathe in. And there is an ozone inhalation

therapy. And we'll talk about that in a second, but, um, instead of taking it into a, uh,

destruct system, I figured, okay.

We may as well do something else. So I'll have that extra ozone go into either an insufflation

bag. So there's an ozone bag or I'll have it go through the little, um, a stethoscope thing for

the ears so I can get ozone through my head and my ears and clears up brain fog and things

of that nature. Or I'll have it go through, um, some other apparatus so that I'm not.

Wasting. Right. So it's the byproduct that's coming off can either be wasted into the destruct

or it can be utilized. And so I usually utilize it. And so with that, I will take that back and

either do, um, nasal. Insufflation so I'll kind of point that bag at my nose or in my mouth

without breathing it.

Okay. And so one of my techniques for doing that is I just take the bag, unclip it, and I

pushed it. It's almost like an accordion or whatever. Like you push that back actually. What is

it? I'm bagpipe. It's like a bagpipe. Good Scottish instrument. Yeah, exactly. So it's like a

bagpipe and it allows the, it asked to come out of that bag and into wherever, whatever

orifice you want it to go.

And so I usually choose the mouth. Then I closed my mouth and then I slowly exhale out of

my nose. So I make sure to get ozone on, into my nasal cavity. Right.

Boomer Anderson: [00:08:37] Key for people here is not to inhale.

Josh Holland: [00:08:39] Correct. Bingo. Okay. Do not inhale. And if you, again, if you don't

know how to breathe properly, don't don't breathe.

Well, then I would probably not have a person do that. You know? It, it, it is, it is tricky. Um,

and so, so that, that's one way though, that I do it. If there's a person who let's say they have

a stopped up nose or stuffy nose, or they feel like they're coming up with it, like a cold or flu,

then, um, I'll just.

Point that after nos and kind of have them hold their breath, pointed out their nose with

their heads, hold it back. And you feel it. I mean, it's like, Ooh, um, And a lot of times people

expect it to be like, um, you feel amazing right away. But what happens usually is even if you

feel okay, what happens is it brings up all of this mucus and, and biofilms and all kinds of

stuff that you, that were hidden, that all of a sudden, so sometimes I get the question of like,

are you sure this is good for me?

Because I, I now feel like I'm, you know, You know, stuffing stuff up and my nose is clogged a

little bit more than it was. I said, don't worry. It'll go away. Yeah. Cause it's, yeah, it's

bringing up that the bad stuff. Right. It's attacking the bad stuff. So that's one way, um, then

there's drinking the water, which is going to obviously affect the, the digestives system.

Um, my favorite. Well, maybe it's not a favorite way, but one of the most impactful ways is

rectal insulin.

Boomer Anderson: [00:10:09] Yeah. So it's like, is this sort of similar to like a coffee enema

and how you introduce that?

Josh Holland: [00:10:17] Yeah. So w what I actually do good point is I either do it, do a coffee

enema first, just to clean out the colon, um, to then introduce that same bag, but it has a

connection to a catheter on the end.

Um, and so I would do a coffee enema or do that ozonated water. I would use that as the

animal source. So I'll do the enema first, clean out the colon and then reintroduce the, the

insufflation bag with the ozone direct, uh, through the rectum. And, um, and that is about

95% as effective as direct Ivy. Or, um, you know, having your blood taken out into a bag, it

was an idiot and put it back into the body

Boomer Anderson: [00:11:04] 10 past style.

Right. So

Josh Holland: [00:11:07] yeah. Yes, yes, exactly. And you know, it's like, look, of course, I've

done the direct ID. I've done the passes. I've done all of that stuff, but yeah. What's the

easiest, it's easiest to, you know, go into the comfort of your own bathroom, set up your

mom's zone and they make it happen.

Boomer Anderson: [00:11:23] Yeah. You don't pay, you don't have to go to a facility.

I don't know if they do it at night. Um, is it not a Bulletproof upgrade labs or anything like

that, but there's no, there's certain facilities at least here that do 10 paths and that is a little

bit more out of the way than doing it in your own home. Right. So.

Josh Holland: [00:11:44] You can go, it take, it takes time and not, not a lot of people are

comfortable with, with needles.

And, and to be quite honest with you, um, the last time I did a couple passes, um, you know,

I wasn't able to finish because of, you know, the, the reactions they had to, you know, stick

me on my, on my arm five times, three times on the right two on the, on the, on the left.

And it was just kind of like annoying right here.

I am thinking like, why did I just do this at home?

Boomer Anderson: [00:12:12] Yeah. It's not as enjoyable. That's for sure. Getting pricked

with something's never enjoyable, but, uh, okay. So we're going to get to this part of the

conversation where we're going to talk about movement because like of the people that I

follow and kind of actually listened to when it comes to movement, you're definitely one of


And so. When you look at movement for individuals, and I've heard you talk about both high

intensity interval training and blood flow restriction is kind of key aspects of that. If there's

another one that's come up, just like awareness has come up, let me know. But why those

two? Is it purely because of the clientele or is it, is there something special about those

Josh Holland: [00:12:54] two?

Um, very good question. I okay. So, so yes, to answer your question at the beginning, um, if

there's something else that's come up, I think it's more about like, there's something else

that's always been at the, at the forefront or a part of the foundation, which is primal

movement or innate movement first.

And what do you mean by that? Um, so. Crawling, um, and, and crawling and climbing and,

um, balancing. These are things that I use as an assessment first and foremost, then we

progress into the other. So, so when you speak about the high intensity and the blood flow

restriction and all the other stuff that you probably see me talk a lot about and see on my

social media, That's usually because I've, I've taken it from it's from that foundation.

Right. Because. You know, I created this thing called M a P, which is meant analysis pattern.

And that movement analysis pattern came about kind of like the quality awareness edition.

Yeah. Um, it came about because I kept noticing that every client that I worked with almost

at some point or another, we would come back to something which was, Hey, you lack

mobility in X, Y, or Z.

Right. And so. I wanted to create something that would allow me to see that first and

foremost and allow that person to see that. And in something that we could do every single

session. And, um, and so that is a simple sort of 10 step movement protocol that allows me

and the client to see, Hey, I need to be working on something else then how many reps and

how much time, and you know, how many days a week, right.

Once we do a movement analysis pattern, then I almost prescribe, okay. We need to now

make you crawl and crawling. It's almost like taking steps back to being a baby and going

through the movement milestones before we go into better move. Right. So if I want a

person to move better, I need to see how well they crawl.

I want to see, can you get up front the ground without using your hands? Can you get down

to the ground without using your hands? What happens if you. Walking down the street and

you fall, do you mean I know how to fall properly? That comes back to my martial arts

training. There is a proper way to fall, right?

And if your body is sound, then you probably won't hurt you as much if you, if you do

happen to fall. Um, and that also goes back to well, Chances are you probably won't fall or

you won't fall as badly if you don't have on a very shod shoes. Right. So it goes back to that

whole barefoot technology. So we've got all these, these photo or not photo.

Well, I guess you could call them photo receptors, but we have these receptors in the, in

our, in the bottoms of our feet that are very much like the receptors in our hands. It's

designed to, to really feel our environment. And so chances are always ask the question. Can

you think of a time that you yourself or anybody, you know, has rolled their ankle while

being barefoot?

And I don't even have to wait for the answer. The chances are no. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson: [00:16:23] It's usually it's usually wearing some ridiculous shoe,

Josh Holland: [00:16:27] right? Bingo. Yeah. The last time that I rolled my ankle was a couple

of weeks ago playing basketball. Wearing basketball shoes. And it frustrates me to no end

because, you know, being a basketball player, like, you know, I, I have gone to the extent of

playing basketball in my vivos.

You know,

Boomer Anderson: [00:16:46] I was gonna say, vivo needs to make a basketball shoe.

Josh Holland: [00:16:50] I'm working, I'm working, I'm working on that. Yeah. Um, and, and,

you know, you'll probably see me doing some more of that because I'm trying to. To do less

harm to my own body, but, but going back to like, um, the, the movement piece is, you

know, I think anybody listening right now, if you take a moment to assess what your deep

squat is like, and maybe I can give you the link to that movement analysis pattern, um, that I,

that I'm talking about your website, but.

I think I've seen, I think I've seen it. I'll

Boomer Anderson: [00:17:23] link to it in the show notes for everybody.

Josh Holland: [00:17:25] Yeah. It's, it's, it's pretty cool because you know, the first thing

you're asked to do is a deep squat. Yeah. Okay. Now everybody,

Boomer Anderson: [00:17:35] what percentage of your clients can actually do a deep squat?

Like the first time you see them?

Josh Holland: [00:17:40] Whew. Well, yeah, that's a tough one to answer. I would say what

percentage of people can do a deep squat? Well, yeah. Is far less than, than just getting into

the shift. Right. Because, you know, we can, we can, we can identify a shape, but then we

can also qualify that, that shape, right. Will, you know, can you get down into a deep squat

with your feet, mostly pointed straight forward and your, your back is in a, you know, I

wouldn't say it has to be straight because.

Uh, people who do squat well that like maybe use that squat for a resting position or to use

the bathroom or whatever. You might notice that they actually do have a rounded back and

that's okay. As long as you're not loaded. Right. And again, that's why movement is such a

nuanced thing. And I treat it as such, you know, I don't just say, Hey, do a hundred squats,

do some burpees, do some pull ups and pay me, pay me my money.

No, I want to, I want to assess what a person. Looks like, and, and so a good deep squat for

you where it might be different than a good deep squat for me, but can you get into a deep

squat? And that usually causes people to go wait a minute, without me saying it, that creates

awareness right away. So that's why I love doing this, the movement analysis pattern right


And I promise you anybody that clicks on the link when they see it and they start to do it,

they're going to immediately become aware of their own body. So it's a tool that creates

awareness. And then we can use that to then kind of prescribe a movement protocol. And

then, you know, so then you might notice, wow, like my heels come up.

Okay. Why. Right. I remember anytime you ask a question, it's the opportunity to educate

well, chances are your, your calves are too tight. A lot of people think, um, Oh no, no, no. It

was probably because my knees and it's because of my hips. Okay. If that's what you think,

that's fine. Let's, let's put a, um, let's put a.

A towel or a bar or something underneath your heels. And let's see if you can get into a deep

squat, boom. They go all the way down into the most beautiful deep squat. And I go, okay,

why do you think that is? Um, I don't know. Well, you thought it was your hips that

prevented you from going down. He thought it was your knees, but you just showed now

that you, your hips and your knees allowed you to do that.

It's because your ankle does not like a certain degree of, of, uh, dorsal flection. Source of

flection means, you know, pulling the toes up towards your shin. Right? So if you do not

have a good range, a good amount of flexibility at the, that, that ankle I'll call it the angle at

the ankle. If that angle at the ankle.

So does not, does not want to reduce. So if you, if we go from a standard sort of 90 degrees,

just standing, if we can't get down to 45 degrees, chances are, we're not going to be able to

be in a good squat. Yeah. Otherwise other systems are compromised the knee or the hip, so

then they go, well, what do I need to do?

Okay, well let's let's good question. Let's target the cat. Let's target the angle. It's actually

target the foot. So then we can go into really working on foot flexibility. Because, you know,

again, it starts from the ground up. And so when I do a warm up with a person, I start from

the ground up. I start by wiggling the toes.

And if you've seen any kind of, um, uh, videos of me doing classes or teaching, uh, any kind

of online stuff, chances are, I'm going to spend about five to 10 minutes. Working on the

toes and then working up through the, through the body. And I do a thing called joint roles.

And basically the idea behind that is just working through all of the joints that you can

imagine again, that makes you aware of all that many joints that we have in our bodies.

Right? So it's an opportunity to educate the person in front of me or the group in front of me

that we have a bunch of different joints in this. In this skeleton that we're kind of moving

around throughout the day, that can be optimized. And so if you can't pick up your toes on,

on, on demand independently of the other toes, then we have a problem and you also might

be thinking, well, wait, uh, how can you tell if I'm picking up my toes independent of the

other body of the other toes, if I have shoes on, well, that answers your own question.

Take off your shoes, right? Okay. But you know, you still can't really see if it, okay. We'll not

take off your socks. That answers your own. Right. So most, if not, all of my sessions are

barefoot. Okay. So, you know, so it's, well, we can, we can talk for days about this kind of

stuff. Cause this is what I'm really fascinated with.

I hope to plant the seed pun and I hope the plant, the seed to anyone listening to this that

we need to start focusing more on. The capabilities of our body and how we can open up all

the different, uh, systems and tissues throughout our bodies to optimize our movement.

Then we can go into focusing on, okay, what high intensity interval training protocols do you


Well, you know, I love the Tabata protocol, but okay, well what should I do in that Tabata

protocol? Well, I'm going to probably start with isometrics. Right. Like, there's this, there's

this really cool, um, uh, exercise, if you will call the eight point plank by my friends at

foundation training, uh, dr. Eric Goodman and Jesse solace, um, they Coleman

Boomer Anderson: [00:23:29] saved my back in the past or that's a, yeah,

Josh Holland: [00:23:33] he's amazing.

Yeah. I've had the distinct pleasure of working with him. And we actually did a, um, a video

of, for scoliosis because of my scoliosis. We did a video together, uh, should be coming out

at some point. And then, um, I've been able to work closely with them here in, in, in LA and

LA. Um, and he's now just moved on to Hawaii, but being able to work with him is pretty

cool deal.

I'm in fact, I'm gonna have him on my podcast at some point, but I'm learning how to do

proper decompression breathing. Is it expanding? The rib cage helps with my back. Right.

And. It's like, Oh, wait a minute. So doing that and then maybe holding a plank at eight point

plank with a Tabata protocol, which would be 20 seconds of work.

10 seconds of rest. That's a, it's a plank. And most people are like, Oh, come on, dude. Like,

you know, should I do some squats? Should I do something? Do most

Boomer Anderson: [00:24:31] people just want to be crushed? And then you're like, yeah,

well you want them to do isometrics? Like I imagine most people are just like, okay, When,

one of the squats coming, one of the cleans coming, that kind of stuff,

Josh Holland: [00:24:44] right?

I always say, Hey, at any point of my interaction with you at any point, I can crush you trust.

Now that's not, that's not the benefit you're going to get from working with me. And that's

what I always say to people. I'm happy to, to, you know, to say that, you know, we won't

work together. I'm happy to refer you to somebody else that can maybe serve that purpose

for you.

But when you work with me, my, my goal is to operate and, and, and, and optimize your

health. And if that means sitting like this and never doing an actual exercise, And maybe

teaching you about awareness and sleep and recovery and consumption and activeness.

Then when you do your exercise elsewhere. Yeah, that's fine.

So, um, but, but to also answer your question about the, you know, so I touched on the, the

high intensity interval training. Yes. I think it's important. I do think it's good. And I think

that, um, you know, there's so many tools that I've been using for that, for instance, lately

throughout the pandemic, I've been using the inertia wave, which I

Boomer Anderson: [00:25:55] like, he convinced me to get one.

So like, okay, we can get into the inertia wave before I get into the inertial wave though.

Why isometrics first? Because. Ah, you're going to have Johnny Johnny CrossFit, for instance,

that's like, Hey, why don't you? And I make fun of CrossFit. Cause I used to be one of those

guys, but it's um, you know, why don't we do for our tomatoes?

Why don't we do sit ups, pushups, squats, all of that stuff. Right? Why symmetrics?

Josh Holland: [00:26:25] Okay, so w with isometrics, um, it brings it back, uh, component of,

um, uh, stability endurance, or, or, you know, strength, endurance. I think teaching the body

to stabilize in, in more ways than one at different systems, I think is important.

It's an important component because, you know, it's like you, for instance, if you. If you do

need to have a barbell and you feel like you, you want to just wrap your hands around a cold

piece of steel, fine, then do an overhead, hold, hold that isometrically so that you can teach

your body to stabilize so that when you get to a point where your, your, uh, your form starts

to suffer, then the stabilizers will kind of kick in and help you keep you safe.

We need to have strong stabilizer systems in our body stabilization doesn't necessarily mean

stuck in one position. Right. For instance, I'm crawling. Right. So we can call it dynamic

stabilization. That's what a crawl shows. That's why I like crawling. So if you're in this, you

know, a foot, what we call flip your hand crawl, um, which you're basically on all fours, you

can be on your hands and your knees, or you can have your knees off the ground, but just

holding that position would be an isometric, uh, plank, right?

Yeah. But the moment you take a few steps, you've now changed that into a dynamic

stabilization. So it's, it's, it's isometrics, especially at the core. Yeah. But you're dynamically

moving. And so you're teaching your body to kind of be independent, but you're using the

strong foundation of the core to help you move through other parts of your body.

So I feel like it makes the system so much more sound and so much stronger, and it keeps

you out of, out of pain. It keeps you out of a injury. So that's why I feel like, because, you

know, look, can you stabilize, can you stand on on one foot for a minute? Can you, and if you

can't then why would you ever then go into a lunge when you may have the possibility of

injuring yourself or incorrectly, um, dropping the ankle or the knee inside of the, you know,

inside of the hip?

I mean, it's, I want to see, can you stabilize in all these positions first? Right? Can you, can

you do a handstand hold, which would mimic an overhead press, right. Can you hang from a

bar if you want to, if you want to do pull ups, okay. Show me that you can hang because

that's going to teach your system to adapt to the isometrics and then you can always take it

up another notch.

You know, so even in CrossFit, when I was doing CrossFit a lot, he, you know, I got to the

point where I was doing. Cost you at competitions and things like that. Um, but I always

appreciated the isometric components because I saw what it did to my, to my body and not,

not only, um, aesthetically, but also like functionally, I saw the changes.

So yeah. That's why I like it.

Boomer Anderson: [00:29:45] The inertial wave. Okay. Mine arrived yesterday. I enjoy it. I

enjoy cause anything that's portable, like for instance, blood flow restriction training, which

I'm sure we'll get to here in a second. It's super portable. It's a lot of fun people in the park.

Look at me like I'm weird, but what do you enjoy about it?

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Josh Holland: [00:31:09] Exactly what you just mentioned. I feel like because I'm a traveler

I'm, I'm constantly traveling even, even during the, this pandemic situation and I've been. I

guess fortunate or, or been called to travel a lot. So I need to have tools that are easy for me

to put in a bag and easy for other people to see like, Oh, wow.

Okay. This is really all you need. Um, It's I use the inertia wave as a, uh, resistance band tool

apparatus. So you can do curls and, you know, uh, wood choppers and all kinds of different

movements with the resistant component. But then you can also get into that metabolically

demanding, um, high intensity interval training, like we talked about before, and that's


The the, the core stability really comes into play because if you don't have it out on the core,

When trying to perform these exercises one, you, you will quickly see that you need to work

on that, right? Because you probably want to do more than 10 seconds of, of any of the

moves. Um, but also it brings in this sort of, uh, this motor skill development where you

need to.

Also work on your, your movement patterning. So that comes back to that neurological

patterning in the brain, you know, to be able to do this back and forth drumming motion, so

to speak, right? Like what they call the hero wave. Um, For me, that was very second nature

because, because I played the drums, you know, I played it and, um, to be able to multitask,

to truly multitask, you know, rubbing your belly and patting your head, which is something I

incorporate into my training as well.

Um, and different things around that. Um, that's what this shows, because if you don't have

a good, um, what is the word coordination? Yeah, you don't have. Proper coordination.

You're quickly. We'll see that the inertia that is being created in a wave, you know, it has the

amplitude and it, and it goes up and it comes down like a true wave.

If your body doesn't work within that, at some point it'll it'll, it'll go off. And the inertial wave

will show you that immediately. In fact, you might see that one hand or one side works

better than the other side. So it becomes a diagnostic tool and I see it all the time, the light

bulb comes on and a person quickly sees.

Hmm. Um, maybe not as coordinated as I thought I was at least this. Right. And then, you

know, I'll give a few cues and I'll just simply say, don't fight the wave. Don't fight it, work

with it. So sometimes it's easier like with the duo, you know, the dual is the one where two

people are using it right on either end, instead of being, instead of anchoring it.

What I'll do is I'll have the person who's finding it difficult to work within the wave. I'll have

them just hold it. You just pull back, hold it. It worked at posterior chain and that let me do

all the work so you can feel it. And then again comes all the way back to awareness, you

know? So, so I love the inertial way for that.

I also love the, the, um, the katsu bands or any kind of blood flow restriction bands because

they're portable and they have a big bang.

Boomer Anderson: [00:34:31] Yeah. I was going to say, I mean like blood flow restriction

training to me seems like you're cheating in some ways. Like it's just the return for the time

and the weight that you have, the move is just absurd.

And so I am very late to the game on blood flow restriction training, but how did you get

introduced to that?

Josh Holland: [00:34:52] Um, yeah, so I, okay. I, I

Boomer Anderson: [00:34:55] had heard about it,

Josh Holland: [00:34:57] you know, often for, for, for quite some time, but I almost like, I

don't know why, but I kind of resisted it because I just thought it was only for meatheads.

Right. I thought it was only for bodybuilders and I'm a guy that is worried less about the

aesthetic. I'm more worried about the function and. Maybe it was incorrect of any of the

people promoting BFR back when I first saw it, maybe it was incorrect on their, on their side

of only showing like big muscle bound guys, but that's what turned me off.

Yeah. And, um, And then let's see what I think I came across. I ended up interviewing a guy

guy who created BFR bands, you know, online, those black and red bands. And I, I just

bought a set. Oh, I know why. So I was a, for awhile there, I was working with Leah Shriver.

Right. And, um, and he was telling me. How he loved BFR.

And I already had the, my BFR bands, the, the ones that you can get on Amazon for like,

yeah. Um, I had those and I was kind of wondering like, why is he raving about this so much?

Well, come to find out, I think he was actually using cats or be strong, one of those, right?

Yeah. And the, the doctors that he was working with, they, they were using it for, um, for

rehab after clients, you know, having surgery and things like that.

And so it caused me to dive deeper cause I'm like, okay, he's a high level. Um, you know, let

me, let me look into this a little bit more. So I started doing my research and I finally decided

to pull the trigger on buying cats. Yeah. Because yeah, again, I invest a lot of my money, my

hard earned money. Back into everything that I do, if nothing else to, to help people save


Right. I can say, Hey look, you know, I got this and I got that. This is not worth it, but this

probably is right. And so I got it. And I quickly, my mind was blown. In fact, um, after I had

the BFR bands, um, and I heard Liam talking about his, then I, I met a guy. It was actually the

night after I interviewed, um, the guy with BFR bands.

I can't remember his name off the top of my head. I think his name is, uh, CU Kusha Kusha.

Yeah. Anyway, um, after I interviewed him the next night, I w I was invited to a talk with dr.

Pavin, um, at, at some kind of biohacking conference. And in the back, there was a, a guy set

up. He was kind of like a. He taught different physical therapist about BFR technology.

And I'm like, well, this is kind of serendipitous. Right? Okay. So I'm at the back and I'm

coming. I like watching him. He had people signed up and, you know, and they're all back

there. And there, they were doing things differently than what I was doing with them. Right.

Because all I was doing was putting them around my arms and put them around my legs,

tightening them up and going to work out.

And, you know, I did a little bit of research behind the technology, but. I just wasn't quite

seeing or feeling what the research was saying. So I knew something was off and maybe

something was different and I'm like, okay, maybe I need to tighten it more or maybe I need

to do this. And that. But then I saw this very fancy machine that was connected to all these,

these tubes and the people sitting down and literally them being like, Whoa.

So I thought, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to buy some, one of these systems. And so that's

what I bought.

Boomer Anderson: [00:38:30] So you got, you got the one with the machine or did you get

one of the ones that went without the machine?

Josh Holland: [00:38:37] Yeah, I got the 2.0, the portable one. Yeah. And, um, and when I got

that. I was like, Oh, and I listened to a Mercola, you know, Macola speaks very highly of


And that was another reason why I decided to pull the trigger because, you know, he, he's

very convincing and he talks about BFR more than anybody. I know. Um, and so I said, okay,

let me, let me go into it. So I got it. And I swear to you boomer my first moment, not even

workout because I was doing it by the book because I wanted to make sure and do it

properly, which you start by putting it on the arms and doing some, you know, hand

squeezes and maybe some mimicking, some curls and different things.

And I'm like, what, like what I felt with just doing that. Immediately the brain switched on

and I'm like, okay, this, this is, this is it. Yeah,

Boomer Anderson: [00:39:29] it's true Nicholas. Right? Because you think of it as sort of,

um, and I've spoken to the, be strong guys, a little bit about this, but, um, you know, the pink

dumbbells, right.

That nobody wants to really touch, but you do 30 reps of pink dumbbells and all of a sudden

you're exhausted, no matter what you're doing. And to me, it was just shocking. The first

time I put them on.

Josh Holland: [00:39:52] Yup. Yup. And that response should again, make people very aware

of like, Well, wait a minute. If I felt that from this, what would I feel if I do this?

Right? And so back to the point about it being portable and, you know, along with the inertia

bands and the nursery wave, it's like, okay, you don't need to have weights. Right. And since

I loved the katsu system so much so, and they're expensive, right? Yeah. But I love it so

much that I got my mom a pair, got my brother a pair.

He got my dad a pair and I got my client. Roger Paris sounds familiar. I've done this too.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And it's, so it's like, okay, let me take out the guesswork for

anybody probably that I'm suggesting this to, because you know, it could be cost for him

prohibitive for some people. So, okay. Let me take that away.

And also I'm one to let anybody use mine because I already know what's going on. And then

that becomes a huge bang for your buck. So do you need anything with it? No. I mostly do

body weight. Pushups squats. Um, you know, and there's, again, I've done some, several

podcasts with those guys as well. Um, and so, you know, people could, could see some of

that information.

You probably I'm sure you've done it as well. So, um, there, there is a lot that can be

discovered within your own body with simple, uh, VFR. And the reason why I like katsu over

some of the other ones. Um, is because of that recovery component, that cycle mode that,

you know, it takes the pressure up, brings it down, takes it up, even higher, brings it down.

And it does that eight cycles. And that would conclude one full cycle. And I like to do that

after training. And I also like to do that, just. When I'm hanging out, like I would be doing

that right now in this, on this podcast, except that it it's kind of noisy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So,

um, that's why I don't have them on, but I, these things are my babies.

Boomer Anderson: [00:41:57] I completely agree. No weekend trip, throw it in the bag.

Same thing with the inertial way of now, too. Right. It's just, it's so portable and so damn

efficient that it's. It removes all excuses that people can have removed as well.

Uh, Josh, I want to, I want to transition now into efficient or efficiency, effectiveness,

quantification, and let's get into the last part because I think there's my, background's a little

bit more on the quantified self side of life and I've seen and have experienced personally

what it's like to take on a vacation too far.

Do you think people when it comes to movement can take quantification too far?

Josh Holland: [00:42:40] Yes. And like you boomer I've taken it too far as well.

Boomer Anderson: [00:42:45] What has taken it too far look like for you, if you don't mind


Josh Holland: [00:42:50] Well, you know, they w what is dead, um, uh, paralysis by analysis,

you know, that, that term, um, I feel like.

When you go away from there, we should do a count for like how many times I say


Boomer Anderson: [00:43:07] I mean, we might just title the episode awareness.

Josh Holland: [00:43:12] Yeah. It's, you know, it goes back to like, if you are doing something

so much so that you lose awareness, then I think it's not a good idea. And. You know, it's like

I, so I started to learn that, okay.

Like for instance, I would use the halo, you know, like improve this and that. And, you know,

and I would use these devices to like, show what I'm doing and this and that. And then I kind

of started to rely more on the tech and the technology, then my own tech and technology,

which is. Yes, you know, the brand.

And, and so th th that would be the reason why I would say that I also sort of went, took it a

little bit too far. Do you feel good with whatever movement you're doing? Do you feel like

you're improving with whatever you're doing? Do you need a scale to show that. Sure.

Maybe in the beginning, you know, um, I I'm sure you have it and I don't know where you

are with it or not, but like, um, in this whole tech world I've used the smart scales and having

it connect to the phone and then what happens when, when things don't work well.

Yeah. What ha you know, then it's like, Oh, wait a minute. This can't be right. The reading is,

must be off. And then again, it makes you lose your own connection. Right. So, okay. What is

the point? I guess that would be my, my main thing when it comes to perhaps a paralysis by

analysis is what is the point at what point have you served the point of view going that far?

And once you can answer that question then for gold, the analysis, you know what I'm

saying? It's like, even with the Apollo. It's uh, or, or, or the watch, right? No, here, I'll give

you an example. The ordering, I have this thing on right now, but it hasn't been working for

the last week, so they're sending me another one.

Right. And this has happened a few times and it's just the unfortunate side of tech. Um, but I

have it on mostly because I kind of just liked the feeling of it and it's there and, you know,

and also it's a, it's a conversation. Yeah. First generation

Boomer Anderson: [00:45:35] in particular was a really good conversation starter.

Josh Holland: [00:45:38] Right. Cause it was bigger. And, and, you know, I have that still

sitting somewhere in my, in my house somewhere or my apartment. Um, but yeah, it's, it's

also in today's world or this climate that we're literally within right now. It's anything that

can connect the person. I will, I will keep. Right. So I wear the Apollo sometimes when I'm

out and about, because I know it looks like a, um, what is it called?

Those, uh, those home monitors. What are those things called? You know, like the.

Probation. Like if you're at a

Boomer Anderson: [00:46:09] house actually kind of funny. Cause I was walking to the

grocery store here in the Netherlands, which nobody has the Apollo and the guy pointed at

me, shout at me in Dutch and told him. And then I eventually got him to speak English

because my Dutch is horrible.

And he, he asked me he's like, so you basically said, you know, police gave that to me too.

And I was like, Oh. Really. So, I mean, I, I meant to, you know, we'll, we'll release this one

and I'll tell Raven about it, but, uh, it's, it's very, it's a good conversation starter, like you say,

right? Like people immediately are like, what is that?

There's gotta be a backstory there.

Josh Holland: [00:46:48] Bingo. It's um, I normally have my arch crystal,

Boomer Anderson: [00:46:54] our mutual friend. I have one of those and I probably will end

up with one soon. So.

Josh Holland: [00:46:59] Dude. I, I absolutely love it, but it's, it's probably the biggest

conversation starter. And again, what is the point of that? Right. Some people literally, and

people who know me, they're already prepared for.

Okay. What is, what is Josh going to have today or what is he talking about? And that's, and

that's fine because again, what is the point? I do it because of what it allows me for me and

my, my network, my community, my people, and, and that could be anybody we never

know. Right. So if I'm at Erewhon or like, for instance, last night, My Uber driver, you know, I

don't always have conversations with my Uber drivers.

Cause sometimes it begins to be annoying. Um, but for whatever reason last right, you

know, I get in and this guy, you know, young guy car and whatever. Um, he starts asking me

about, uh, my, my necklace, my, my, my art crystal, but I tell him about that. And he's just

like, dude, what's going on? What is it? You do?

And, you know, I was going from one location to the next and we had about 25 minutes of

travel time together. And I now have a friend, you know, like we connected on Instagram. I

mean, you know, the guy ordered an X three bar. Nice. And he asked me about like, he's like

hard game, right. So which I've worked with a few hard gainers people who are super, super

thin and it's hard to put on weight.

Right. Which is almost the opposite of what you would think that my, my job would be is to

help people lose weight, especially in America. Um, but uh, this guy was just like, dude, you

know, and he sees me, right. I'm a big dude. And. Um, he's like, Hey man, like what's some

ways that I could, like, I could gain some weight now.

I obviously I can, I'm going to call, I can't really talk or I can say this is harmless, you know?

Um, I'll give you some, some, some free advice. Right. And so I talked about, um, my

podcasts and listening to some different podcasts and things like that. But then, you know,

we would go down this rabbit hole, but.

Why did we even get there because of the things that I have on me. Absolutely. Right. And

so, so that's my purpose. And, and that's a diversion from what we were really talking about

with the, the, uh, paralysis by analysis, but it goes back to the purpose. What is your


Boomer Anderson: [00:49:20] Josh? My friend, this is a, this is an Epic conversation.

We can probably go on for a little bit awhile. A little bit of while that's even good English. I

need some blood transition now into some final four rapid fire questions. Cause I'm sure

we're going to have future conversations. But the first question that I have for you is what is

the book. And this can be in any domain that has most impacted your life.

Josh Holland: [00:49:49] Woo. Um, okay. Um, I, I would like to say two. One is the book that

I'm currently reading right now called breadth by James ness store. Um, and, and so if I can

give two, I would say that one. Um, and then the other one is the fat burn fix by dr. Cate


Boomer Anderson: [00:50:10] Oh, nice. Is that our new book or is that cause she was deep

nutrition, right.

And that was one of my

Josh Holland: [00:50:15] favorite books as well. Exactly. If you like deep nutrition, please

check out the fat Merton fix. And I guarantee you, you or anyone else that happens to pick

up that book, you will be pleasantly surprised and probably thankful for, for having the

recommendation. Because, you know, it's like if I wasn't reading this book breath right now,

and that wasn't in the forefront of my brain.

Easily, hands down, fat burn fix. I, I got about halfway through to the book and I, I had

already surpassed, you know, on Instagram you can do the highlights, right? And the

highlight, uh, for the different amounts of photos or videos you can put on there, it stops at

a hundred. I highlighted a hundred and I was only halfway through the book.

Wow. And it's the most screenshotted book that I've, I've had to date and I've read some

Epic books, man. But that book taught me so much about the problematic oils that we

consume and, and just a multitude of things. So it's, it's a, it's a game changer. And so it's

Boomer Anderson: [00:51:21] thank you, Amazon. My Amazon account is going to get hit

tonight, but, uh, all right.

What's what excites you most about the health world right

Josh Holland: [00:51:29] now? The, the fact that we can really change and we can see lots

of, uh, improvement and we have a lot of room for improvement, I think is what excites me

the most. There's a lot of room for improvement and ways to tweak. Our lives and our

environment and our lifestyle.

That's probably the most exciting for me is because I love to, I love to create change. Um, in

fact, it goes back to my mantra, which is our bodies and minds adapt to what we do most of

the time. If you want to change your body and mind, you must change what it is you do most

of the time. And with that, it's like, The, the only, the only constant in the world has


Right. That's another, another quote. And, um, so if you embrace that, then that should be

one of the most exciting things that we have on this journey called life.

Boomer Anderson: [00:52:23] Amazing top trick financing focus.

Josh Holland: [00:52:28] Mmm, Lou Kennedy didn't

Boomer Anderson: [00:52:30] I did not ask you to say that by the way,

Josh Holland: [00:52:33] right? Um, yeah, I would say low hanging fruit would be meditation

and whatever that means for a person.

Right. Because you know, meditation does not have to always look the same sound, the

same field, the same. Um, but whatever it is that that allows you to dig deep within yourself

within your mind, it goes back to what we talked about before. Turn off all the lights, turn

off all the devices, put on some candles and listen to what your body's telling you.

That would be considered meditation in my, in my, uh, point of view. Um, but I think that's

one thing that helps to enhance it focus for sure.

Boomer Anderson: [00:53:10] Awesome. Where can people find out more about you Josh?

Josh Holland: [00:53:14] Mmm. Yeah. Well, nowadays it's pretty, pretty easy. Uh, social

media, all the social media platforms, I've been fortunate enough to have the same sort of


Which is Joshua J. Holland, um, JLS, H U a J H O L L a N D. And it's kind of interesting because

the, the, the middle, yeah. Initial J is because my middle name is Jay J a Y. Right, but, uh, it's

kind of a play on words there, but, um, so yeah, Joshua J. Holland, uh, which is the same.

My, my website is Joshua J

And, um, I also we'll have a podcast like you, my friend. Um, it's simply walk the talk. So you

can find this as simply off the or on any of the, uh, podcast platforms. And, uh,

hopefully I can get you on my show at some point. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson: [00:54:07] You told me when you're, you're a tough act to follow man.

So I'm going to need some fair, fair amount of prep time, but we'll, uh, we'll, we'll do it soon.

Josh sounds, this is amazing. First of many conversations to come and I'm hoping that this

next couple will be in person. But we have to, we have to fix some travel in the meantime.

Josh Holland: [00:54:28] Thank you, sir. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you, man.

Boomer Anderson: [00:54:31] Awesome. To all the superhumans listening, have an Epic,

that conversation could have easily gone on for another two hours. And it probably will. If

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