Jam Sessions: Holiday Edition

Boomer Anderson
December 23, 2020
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Coming to the end of the year no one expected. Was it all bad? Roy and I discuss our key takeaways for the year, the conversations which had most significant impact on us, my current experiments, favorite books, and much more in the widespaning random show.


[5:07] Things we learned over the past quarter

[9:50] Maintaining a perfect relationship

[15:35] Key lessons learned from our favorite episodes

[34:11] Undergoing Experiments

[53:15] Favorite reads of 2020

[1:06:44] Let us know what you want to hear on the show


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Defeating Depression with Angela Foster

Essentialism by Greg McKeown

The Essentialism Episode with Greg McKeown

Keto Explained with Dom D’Agostino

Bulletproof Coffee

The Art of the Good Life by Rolf Dobeli

The Art of Thinking Clearly by Rolf Dobeli

Tao of Charlie Munger by David Clark

Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

How to Decide by Annie Duke

Part 1 and Part 2 with Josh Holland

Nicotine with Dr. Neil Grunberg

Thinking, Fast and Slow

Episode Transcript

Boomer: [00:00:00]Welcome to decoding superhuman. This show is a deep dive into obsessions withhealth performance, and how to elevate the human experience. I explore thelatest tools, science and technology with experts in various. The field ofhuman optimization. This is your host, Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey.

Beautiful. All right. We kicking off. This is round twobecause obviously I couldn't figure out how to click record on the first one.So Roy, welcome back. My man.

Roy: [00:00:45] Weout ear, how are you doing?

Boomer: [00:00:48]I'm doing well. So looks like it may be a sunny day here in Amsterdam, which isgood because in my part of the world right now, sun goes down around four 30.

And so, you know, we have very limited time with, with thesun these days, which we can get into some of the goofy stuff that I'm up to tomake sure that I still stay sane. But, um, you're in fucking Bali. So I am

Roy: [00:01:15]you, are I, am I shout out to shout outs? Did you DHL? They delivered,

Boomer: [00:01:21]they delivered. Did it, did you get your magnesium?

Roy: [00:01:24]Oh, I did, but I got it from this shop actually. Okay,

Boomer: [00:01:28]cool.

Roy: [00:01:29]Got it from a shop close by, but, um, What's been up on your side.

Boomer: [00:01:35]Uh, so what's been up on my side. Let's, let's get into that. Um, so it's beenwhat, a quarter since we've recorded one of these and. You know, it'sfascinating kind of how this year is developed because in previous years I'vespent 50% of my time on the road and doing, speaking, doing whatever.

And it always seemed like you're rushing to the next event.And in between those events, you would scrambled to do any sort of long-termplanning, right? Let alone learn something. And so what's been characteristicof this year is being able to anchor myself. In one place, whereas, you know,before is 50% on the road.

Now it's 95% of my time here in Amsterdam. And we weretalking about this one when I goofed up the first recording, but, uh, it's beenamazing to just one fall in love with the city and appreciate everything that'sgoing on here, but to be able to get into, uh, More learning routines in thesense of, you know, some of the people that I talked to all the time, like ratherthan just constantly trying to quote unquote, hack the information and learn ata surface level so that it can be doable to talk about it in a smart way.

I'm actually being able to go deep on subjects and beingable to understand a lot more things. And so that's been an enlightening in away that I'm able to have that experience and. No, I'm incredibly, I'm actuallypretty happy with how this year is panned out so far. I know a lot of peopleout there are struggling.

Um, but in this year it certainly wasn't what I anticipated,but it's been amazing and, and all through all of that, I'm trying to buy ahouse right now, which is, it seems like everybody's trying to do, but you, myfriend are. Surfing every day, sending videos that make me a little bit jealous,not going to lie.

I was supposed to be in Bali in July, but that got delayed.And so tell me a little bit more about that.

Roy: [00:03:44]Yeah. So I got here, um, as we said, shout at Stu and DHL, which actually ledthat the, the funny thing was when I found my, and the way I found my, um,passport was I went out for, for escape for just like a little cruising with myskateboard.

And I came back and it was not inside my, uh, inside mymailbox. It was above the wall. So it was just hanging on there. Like mypassport was just on the wall. Yeah. It was just out there. Anyway. It was anamazing experience for me. Uh, I think we'll, we'll be able to talk about thatlater, but the fact that it happened.

When I let go, um, I got it back and I flew out here and itall panned out the best, but I will talk about Bali in a little bit. I feellike, but I, I wanna, I wanna pick, pick out some something from what you'vesaid, and it's more around subjects you learned about

Boomer: [00:04:56]yeah.

Roy: [00:04:57]What, what did you learn? More about, and that I feel like it'll also lead usto some relationship talk and how, how that pans out for you, because we'vetalked about last.


Boomer: [00:05:11]Yeah. So let's, um, let's go into some of those things, right? So if you lookat my, my focus has actually. Been mainly around the idea of how to make betterdecisions and a lot of that. So by virtue of the fact that I'm here inAmsterdam all the time and that I work. Most of my day with the churchscriptions team in California, I have periods of my day, which are what I wouldcall lower bandwidth, meaning that unless I have client meetings, I can studyquite a bit.

And so if you, if you take that lens of decision-making andsay, how do I make better choices? Well, uh, dang  and a few others have written great booksabout this, but yeah. If you look at the way a human is built and sort of thisidea of. Us kind of having a lazy part of our mind and a very quickdecision-making part of our mind far fall over far, too many of us are relianton that, uh, quick decision-making part of our mind or what Dingo Economenwould call him.

Thinking fast and slow system. One system two is a very lazysystem, but it's very high bandwidth systems. So these are, it's what gets activatedwhen you're trying to learn something new or when, uh, your really trying tomake a complex decision and you don't want to jump to conclusions reallyquickly.

And so a lot of this year has been really how do I engagethat system to, to make better decisions? Uh, mainly from business perspectiveand. I can go through some of those books that I've, I've gone through, but youknow, the, the study of we'll do that later.

Roy: [00:06:57]Yeah, of course. We'll definitely do that later.

Boomer: [00:06:58]The study of decision-making has brought me anywhere from back to, to gametheory, which is something that I haven't really studied in depth sincecollege, but more looking at it from an evolutionary lens. Uh, to, uh,neuroscience. And so looking at the components of our brain and how, you know,there are really how we're somewhat handicapped in certain ways to make verycomplex decisions and why humans with and.

You know, probably after sort of game theory andneuroscience then comes sort of the social cultural programming and thecognitive biases that we all have. And just, it's been a fascinating study forme. And it's something that I now have integrated in my life every singlemorning. And there's re there's like a chapter from four different books that Iread that.

The hope is, is that someday I'll just be a much betterdecision maker as a result of all of this, but I, I guess I can already see thebenefits of it too. And so that's been, uh, quite a wonderful experience on thelearning side. You mentioned relationships and so.

Roy: [00:08:08]Wait, wait, wait, before we run up to that, I'm sorry.

What, what do you incorporate these chapters in your daydaily routine?

Boomer: [00:08:15]You said? So there's four books that I read from every single morning and youknow, some people read things like the Bible. Some people read, you know,Whatever sort of spiritual book. I, I read from these four books and those fourbooks are this won't actually get into the best books of the year, but, butit's

Roy: [00:08:36]yeah, it's, it's just like embedded in your daily routine.

That's what I wanted to get. Um, yeah. From myself.

Boomer: [00:08:42]Yeah. So if you look at, in kind of my morning, right. And, uh, I'm fortunateenough that. I don't have an alarm clock because I I've spent a lot of timekind of ingraining my circadian rhythms. And so when I wake up, which isusually between five and six, uh, it all start with meditation.

Right. And that's just something that I've done. I actuallybegun to hit that almost a hundred percent of the time now, which is great. Uh,of course that's after drinking water, but I'll start with a meditation. ThenI'll go into reading from these four books. And what they do is are very, veryshort chapters, but they're on things like cognitive biases, they're on thingslike, um, Mental models.

And it's also kind of going a little bit into thatneuroscience of system one and system two, and we'll get into some of thosebooks later.

Roy: [00:09:39]Okay. So, uh, yeah, let's, let's keep on moving to relationship. Cause we talk,we talked, um, last, last podcast, we did talk about your relationship with,uh, uh, your lovely, significant other.

And we were. You were saying that you weren't use to thatkind of, um, mindset of seeing that person every day. So what have you been,what has this been to you? Like what has this been like to you as a journey andthen what. What do you guys do to maintain what you have?

Boomer: [00:10:17]Yeah. So a very good question. First off, she hasn't left me, which is fuckingamazing, right?

Roy: [00:10:24]Yeah. Yeah. Pretty, pretty, pretty much of a hard person.

Boomer: [00:10:27]Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine. I can imagine outside perspectives or at least I'vebeen told that in sort of past life, when I was a very different person, I canbe very difficult, but eh, you know, What have we done? And, uh, you know, justsort of the relationship side of things, uh, if you think about what I saidearlier, 95% or sorry, 50% of my time is being spent outside of Amsterdam.

Well, that meant that I was only here for maybe max a coupleof weeks at a time. And so there was always coming back, which brought thiswhole novel, new. Kind of fresh perspective, uh, which is great in some ways.Uh, and so, you know, or is before I thought I was running to the next step.Now I'm able to settle in.

And that includes with, um, my relationship with my fiance.And she first off is incredibly tolerant of, of, uh, Rather busy, busylifestyle, but if anything, we've grown a lot closer. Part of that is ofcourse, because we have spent a lot more time together, but we've been able tocook more meals at home together.

We've been able to have a. More in depth conversations, etcetera. Um, during the day we have very own call them separate lives, but likeobviously she has her career. I have my career, we're both working from home.She works in another room. I work in this little dojo here and. You know, wecome together for things like lunch on occasion.

Of course, dinner is always together because we're notallowed to really go out and see other people, well, sorry, that's wrong. Um,we are allowed to go out and see other people, but see other people in thesense of lockdown. Uh, but at the same time we want, you know, we're able tohave more frequent meals together.

And one of the things that. I enjoy about our time togetheris that she, she can talk about anything, which is great, because if you lookat our podcast, it's kind of reflective of the, all of the things that I'minterested in. I'm interested in philosophy. I'm interested in nutrition, I'minterested in the environment and how it impacts us.

We're going to have some stuff on, um, coming up onactivism. And so. You know, she's able to carry those conversations in, youknow, is interested in those things just as much as I am. And so one of thethings that we've been able to integrate integrate in our lives is sort ofdaily walks and going outside.

We live very, very close to a park here in Amsterdam. So atleast going outside once a day together and kind of spending some time in thepark, on the weekends, going for that coffee and just chatting about worldevents and what our views are. Are on them with the kind of a non-judgementalstance, uh, meaning that she may not always agree with me.

Um, I may not always agree with her, but that's okay. And wehave very, very friendly debates along that line. So it's been, it's been fun.It's been challenging at times, right? Like there's times I'm the type ofperson that needs to kind of regenerate alone sometimes. And. You're not reallygiven that space in this environment.

So you have to find more creative ways to do it.

Roy: [00:13:45]Hmm. Yeah, you can, you can unpack a lot of things from that. I mean, there's,there's the fact of relationship in my opinion, that, you know, I I'm sure thata lot of people listening to this are single, you know, um, because busy peopletend to be single at times.

Yeah. Especially entrepreneurs and, you know, people whowill go like with the work work, work kind of route. Um, but the thing is thebeautiful thing you've presented here is to have. To look for somebody, I guesswho's looking to where you're to a similar place that you're looking to. Yeah.And then like, whether you're doing marketing, whether you're doing completelydifferent things, if you guys are intrigued by, by similar things, it's not thesame things, but similar things, they can always.

Cross paths and the, the, these subjects can always kiss andshe can fill, fill up your cup a little bit and you can fill up her cup alittle bit. Um,

Boomer: [00:14:52]let me, let me add to that a little bit here, because I think please, um,what's in, you know, I, I've had a number of relationships in my life andwhat's actually helped make this one work is that we compliment each other verywell in the sense that, um, She, we, we are very different.

Um, and in many ways, and we look at the world in differentways. And so, yeah, she helps fill in going back to earlier what I said aboutbiases and sort of looking at the world in certain ways and being fedcontinuous information that supports, uh, those. Those biases that we all have.And we certainly all have those biases.

She challenges those. And so she comes from a differentangle and challenges. Those she's

Roy: [00:15:38]reminds me of something.

Boomer: [00:15:40]Oh, what's that,

Roy: [00:15:42]that a person who challenges, biases

Boomer: [00:15:46]a little bit, a little bit. She is, she certainly helps me kind of challenge mythinking and. You know, we compliment each other very well.

And so that that's worked well in our relationship. We'redefinitely not the same people and we both have our own independent lives, butwhen we come together, we make each other better. And so that's, that's sort ofwhat I, I really enjoy most about our relationship.

Roy: [00:16:13]Yeah. There's I mean, relationships are an amazing topic in my opinion, and

Boomer: [00:16:19]I may pull her on the podcast soon, so let's see.

Roy: [00:16:22]Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's, let's leave that for another podcast, but, um, let's,let's have a little switcheroo here. Um, what's um, uh, switcheroo, uh, youknow, like I got a little language,

Boomer: [00:16:33]Brent

Roy: [00:16:34]and a little, a little, um, language barrier.

So I say words that. I kind of have to do with what we'regoing to do. We're just going to switch a subject. Okay. Now? Yeah.

Boomer: [00:16:44]We'll jump down on the topic. Yeah. Let's,

Roy: [00:16:46]let's talk about, about some, uh, episodes we've had this year. I mean, I've

Boomer: [00:16:53]so you've had the, I mean, dude, how many episodes have we done together now?


Roy: [00:16:58] Ilost track, I think after, uh, about a hundred, I lost track. Um, but yeah,we've been, we've been doing this for a minute, so

Boomer: [00:17:06]yeah. Yeah. Um, well I guess let's talk, I want to ask you this question.What's been your favorite couple of episodes this year.

Roy: [00:17:15] Ohman, there, there, there were, I mean, you know what I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'mgonna pull up, um, Angela, because I've been, uh, looking to kind of, uh, shiftmy mindset and I've been, uh, reading a lot into epigenetics and, uh, into thescience of, of what you would call depression.

Uh, what in Zen, in, in kind of Kaizen, they might call fearand. I feel like Angela's episode really awoken, uh, woke a lot of things inme.

Boomer: [00:17:54]Um,

Roy: [00:17:57] Becauseshe was talking from a very, very sincere, deep story place.

Boomer: [00:18:02]She was pretty raw about that whole conversation. Right.

Roy: [00:18:05]While I was, I was sitting with my jaw, dropped like tears in my eyes, like in,in, in some of these points.

She's wow. She was, uh, she wowed me. Yeah, for sure. Verycool. Let's let's start, let's start with one that you really,

Boomer: [00:18:23]yeah, look, um, there's kind of. If you look at how the podcast has beenflowing, I generally go down various wormholes of topics that I'm interestedin. On certain times of the year, we've gone through episodes around anxiety,uh, certain times a year, we've gone into productivity certain times a year.

We've gone more into sort of that nutrition, but alsocognitive enhancement. And so, um, If you look at the episodes, let's let meframe that question in terms of the episodes where I've learned the most. Um,the one that first comes to mind is that episode with Greg McKeown, right? Andso you can read and essential ism is one of the few productivity books.

And I think it may be the only one where I continuallyrevisit it probably a couple of times a year, because there's this tendency. Atleast from my end that I think I could do everything. And so I'm naturallygoing to try to do everything, but the fact is is that when you add more to thelist, um, you end up with this sort of diluted.

Uh, quality if you will. And so when I had that episode withhim offline, he told me, he's like, yeah, it sounds like you're gonna have afew tough conversations. And I certainly did. And since then, I've been able tofocus more on being able to get more done and chose sort of my chosen directionrather than just saying like, Hey, I'm good at that.

So maybe I should do it. My perspective is more been topause for five seconds. And just kind of look at it and say, I'm, yeah, I'mgood at that. But do I need to do it, or is it better for somebody else or isit something that just doesn't serve my purpose or my, my sort of overarchinggoal, if you will.

And so, yeah, that that's one that comes to mind. I thinkthe episode with Dom D'Agostino, which was our most downloaded episode of theyear is just. Fascinating more from the sense of how he structures himself,because Dom is, I mean, I hate the term influencer, but he's certainly a bigfigure in the ketogenic world.

He's incredibly knowledgeable. And one of the foremostexperts on the ketogenic diet and he still gives. Most of that influence overto charity in the sense that it all goes back into the research, because, andwhen I looked at how he structured his life, it kind of made me shift how Ilook at things like revenue from other businesses.

Like how can I use it to make a bigger impact rather than.Necessarily using it to buy a latest gadget or whatever it is. So that thoseare a couple of the ones that I really, really liked. Um, obviously there'sthere's little tidbits I can pull out of every episode, like Josh Holland, agreat episode on movement, but how he looks at awareness through movement isjust to me, just super, super special and yeah.

Uh, you know, Julian who is now become a pretty good friendhere in Amsterdam in that episode around, uh, more how he looks at anxiety anddepression as functions and how he can use movement to manipulate thosefunctions so that you can overcome those situations. Great, great episode two.Uh, so I get a little bit out of every episode, um, For the most part, butthose are kind of the ones that come to mind right away.


Roy: [00:21:59] I

Boomer: [00:21:59]mean, for sure. There's, uh,

Roy: [00:22:01] Ihave, uh, in my notes, I, I always have notes from people and from thingsthey've said or books they recommended or stuff like that, because you know,these people are walking gold mines and, um, To be honest, I've reached out toa bunch of these people. Um, and you've connected me with some of these.

And I have actually that a few that became my clients, uh,as a podcast editor and just, I mean, the bandwidth things like the, the, the,the amount of things people are doing in the world is just like, Insane insaneamount of things in wealth and all these things. Um, something that came up,uh, to me in the beginning of what you were saying was hard conversations,meaning, uh, could you expand on that?

Just like a little bit? Sure.

Boomer: [00:22:57]Um, I elaborated on this a little bit, I think on our last jam session, ormaybe even the first one, it was, there was this point in time, over the firsthalf of the year where. I thought I could do a lot more, uh, than I could. AndI know I have an above average bandwidth and there's a lot I've done to my lifein order to construct that bandwidth, but a dial it's like going to, I don'tknow, pick your, sort of, uh, pick your developing country and having thatexperience with the internet.

If you have. 10 people logged onto the internet at one,given time, you may have diluted bandwidth in that sense. And you, your webpagehas made loads, loads slower. Yeah. Uh, so when I was. Having toughconversations was revolving around taking that diluted bandwidth and kind ofmaking it less diluted. So trimming off the fat, so to speak of the things thatI was trying to do in the world, this included peeling back my involvements incertain companies, uh, this included peeling back, uh, some of the.

The other ideas that I wanted to brew and really just takingthat sort of Derek Sivers approach to, to life and saying, if it's not a fuck,yes, it's a no. And that obviously leads to a bunch of conversations you don'tnecessarily, I don't really want to just disappear. I. Has had to have toughconversations with people about my involvement in our various organizations andsay like, Hey, I can no longer be this person for you because my focus iselsewhere.

I need to peel back my time. And what's amazing about thatis when you prepare for these conversations, you always anticipate them to beworse than they're going to be, uh, for the most part. And. People reallyappreciate honesty in terms of your bandwidth, because the last thing that theywant is to be chasing you all over God's creation to just really get you torespond to an email.

And so when I started to pair those things back was when Icould really pump up the gas, so to speak on what really matters to me.

Roy: [00:25:16] Soit feels, so now you feel way lighter.

Boomer: [00:25:20]I do. I'm not perfect. I mean, we're all just sort of, yeah, exactly. Yeah.We're all just sort of, uh, an ever evolving organism anyway.

But uh, for me, it's, you know, there are going to be moreconversations that need to be had, but I'm on that right path. And I know howthose conversations need to go. And I'm also much more CU. Excuse me. I'm alsomuch more careful about what I say yes to now. Uh, there's something that RalphDibeli says in his book.

I think it's called the art of the good life. Uh, whereasthe five second. No. And so what he outlines in there is we have all these, Imean, I'm sure you have this too, Roy, you have people that reach out to youand they say like, Hey, can I have coffee, whatever. Um, and. Or, Hey, can Ihave coffee? Hey, can I have a phone call with you?

Hey, can I, um, you know, take 20 minutes of your time toask you about this and in principle, 20 minutes of your time is not much, butif you say yes to all of those, Tasks, if you will, or all of those things,pretty soon you have pretty, you have very diluted focus. And so in that book,he outlines a way to just avoid that.

And so what he says is the five-second now. And so for me,how does that manifest itself rather than saying yes to everything right away?I usually just give a kind of a template answer of all. Come back to you. Andthen I'll take it back and figure out, okay, what do I actually need to do?Because there are people that I would love to have coffee with.

They're all people that I would love to speak with, butisn't necessarily the right time for that conversation. Um, or isn't necessaryat all and having that perspective and then taking it back and thinking aboutit has saved me a lot of time and certainly given me a lot of focus. Hmm.

Roy: [00:27:23]Definitely I can, uh, I can highly resonate with that because in the musicworld, you know, um, people want a piece of you when you become someone.

I get, I'm not saying that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like thismaster producer now producing for Rihanna or whatever. Right.

Boomer: [00:27:40]You should check out his shed. People like it. It's really good. So.

Roy: [00:27:45]Appreciate it, project dropping real soon. But anyway, um, the thing is thatpeople see you, people see how you move and then they want a piece of that.

Um, regardless if it's just for coffee or, you know, andthere are two types of people in my mind, there are people who. Genuinely wannacreate a conversation with you. And there are just people who look to drain youfrom your information.

Boomer: [00:28:12]Yeah.

Roy: [00:28:13]Um, which is again, it's okay. Like giving you, you usually get something back,but sometimes the prison energy just feels off and you don't have to have a,you don't ha you don't need any explanation.

Sometimes I went, uh, ecstatic dancing the other day. Thatsounds

Boomer: [00:28:30]like that's what you do in Bali. Of course. Yeah. I can't explain this. Dancingfor people. Cause I like I've done it before, but I want to, you know, theaudience may not be as familiar.

Roy: [00:28:43]Yeah. So expect except for surfing and making music. I just love experiencing,uh, spiritual practices.

And one is ecstatic dancing, which is just like you come toa space. And you just dance your ass off. And the rule, like a rule is youcan't just like start staring at people. It doesn't work like that. You can'ttalk to people. Whoever wants to be by themselves will be by themselves. Andit's just like an energy energy thing.

Um, and let's say there was this one dude who was justwalking there and he was. Super high energy. And it was just not where I wasfeeling. And I saw this person and my energy. Like I just, you get to a placein ecstatic dancing where you, you just feel energies. You don't, you don'tjudge. You just feel so.

I felt it was way too intense for me. So I walked away likeliterally just like, boom, shot myself to the other side of the room and feltso relieved. Um, not because this person was a bad person, just because. You Syou talked about a five minute. No, and I love that because, you know,sometimes you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have, um, a whole body yes.

To things. Yeah, absolutely. And that's the other, that'sthe other side of things where your body just like gets excited and pumped andyou're like, Holy hell, this is the project that I've been waiting for. And I'msure it happened to you, you know, where you're like, this thing clicks withme.

Boomer: [00:30:19]Absolutely.

Roy: [00:30:21] Sojust taking it back sometimes an energy doesn't feel right. And you can't eat,you can't put your finger on it. You just like this doesn't feel right. So youjust go, go with the no, yeah. Don't

Boomer: [00:30:35]yeah. I've developed somewhat of a, not really a framework. Well, I guess it isa framework and a way for dealing with these sorts of things.

Um, unless the person comes out. If they reach out to me andthey seem genuine, I'm willing to play the tip for tech game, which is just goingback to game theory. Right. So, you know, I do something for you. You dosomething for me kind of thing. And just kind of seeing how that relationshipdevelops. In many cases, it develops just fine.

And you know, it's a mutual discovery and seeing if we havethe ability to collaborate together, but in often cases, you mentionedsomething earlier about the sort of vampiric tendency or parasite. The tendencyof people and often cases, people just want to suck stuff from you, but they'renot really willing to engage in a mutually beneficial conversation.

And so in those cases, I try to avoid it. And there, thereare ways to, to. Really identify those, uh, those types of people very quickly.And I do find that tit for tat works quite well in just figuring out if this isgoing to work or not, but it's, um, it's a long learning process. That's forsure.

Roy: [00:31:54]Yeah, definitely.

And that doesn't always come fast. It's just like, if you'reon the, if you're on the other side that you're on the asking side of it,expecting something back is always the worst thing that I found out, um, from,from doing these things, expecting that, that result back that feedback, thatwhatever, if you're on the giving side of things, Is that is a very hard thingbecause you're basically working for free yeah.

For, with, with another person giving your value. Um, andyou know, I, and that's why I think setting a time period for that tat youknow, if you work with that person for a whole month and you hear nothing backfrom them, so, you know, they're, they might be unappreciative of your work.It's, it's just like, I feel like it's just like how human, how humans wouldwork.

Boomer: [00:32:49]Yeah, exactly. And we just need to, eh, I don't think tit for tat as aninstantaneous thing. And I certainly want to give more than I receive, butthere, there is a point where you try it. You ask yourself the question of, isthis a, a mutually beneficial relationship or is the person just out forthemselves?

And that may take some time and each one is different, butin order to make the world just easier or more simplistic in a way, uh, I am.Almost a hundred percent of the time. The exception there being is if theperson just comes across as sort of a brazen asshole, then I almost a hundredpercent of the time I will respond at least at first time and just kind of seewhere this goes.

But yeah, man, it's a, it's a definitely a learning process.

Roy: [00:33:45]Hell. Yeah, man. We went on quite a little tangent there. Did

Boomer: [00:33:48]I love did

Roy: [00:33:50] Ilove that? Um,

Boomer: [00:33:52]but take us back. I

Roy: [00:33:53]think it, actually, I think it actually leads us back to kind of, um, to, youknow, what, something that I wanna, I want to touch because you've had so manythings happening in your world.

Um, what's been, uh, um, like recent experiments that you'vebeen dabbling with in the, in these past few months that we, uh, That we'vesince we've jammed last time. Yeah.

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Bioptimizers.com/boomer use the code boomer and they havesome ridiculous bundles going on in December and they always have really gooddiscounts. So head on over to bioptimizers.com/boomer and use the code boomerand you'll save big. Let's get back to the episode. First off, the last time wejammed, the sun was out I'm a lot later, um, in the sense that it was still.

I think it was September. And so we are still had sunlightwell into the evening now, just to set the framework for people, the sundoesn't come up until 9:30 AM and it goes down around four 30. So there's notthat much sunlight during the day. And there's obviously a lot of people thatsuffer for things like seasonal affective disorder and seasonal, effectivedisorder being no sad or kind of depression, et cetera.

And the first year that I moved to Amsterdam, I. Got someinstances of that, meaning like, you know, I was just kinda mopey. I wasn'table to get a lot of stuff done, et cetera. And so, uh, one of the things thatI went out and purchased when I figured out that we were actually going to behere this holiday season, because.

For us, we usually travel around the holidays. We usually goSouth weather and the plan was to go to New Zealand this year, but thatobviously didn't happen because you can't get into New Zealand right nowwithout a Kiwi passport. And so I. Went and purchased a UVB lamp. And I can'tshow it to you right now because right behind this camera, but it's essentiallythe light bulbs that they use for snake lights.

And I can UVB leads to the production of vitamin D. And so Ican sit under there for five to seven minutes, a couple of times a week and getmy vitamin D levels up. It also can be used to help. Seeing circadian rhythms.And so the experiments that have been running, uh, on that side of things hasbeen okay, how do I get my circadian rhythm optimized at a time when the sunisn't really present, which is the sun being the foremost, uh, sinker ofcircadian rhythms.

And so. Yeah, what I've done is I've got the UVB light I'veof course got, um, this red light here from sauna space and I've been usingthose strategically to help kind of manipulate my States if you will. Uh, a fewother things that I've been playing around with, which has been absolutely fun,uh, our work from the home workflows and I continually come back to thePomodoro technique as sort of what I.

Use best for productivity, but some of the things that I'vetried are, um, theming days. And so, uh, theming days, meaning things like, uh,you know, Saturday is marketing day or whatever it is. And Sunday is a planningday. You know, those kinds of things, or Monday is planning day as an example,um, Love it and theming days, and just making sure that those days have aparticular focus.

Uh, I've also changed up my morning routine initially, uh,to embrace more, uh, randomness and, and to bring, make it less or moreanti-fragile in a way. So three months ago, I was quite strict about a morningroutine. Uh, now because I work with a team in California and by the time Iwake up, it's pretty late in the evening in California.

I do have to catch up on some things before they go to bed.And so I've embraced a little bit more randomness in the morning, uh, with theidea of bringing, uh, some of that structure back later in the day. And so letme explain what I mean by that. Um, When I wake up in the morning and the firstthing I, I still do and I outlined it earlier is meditation.

I still get my reading done. But after that, I am okay tocheck it, to check in with Slack, email, whatever it is, and just see what'sgoing on in the world, because there are some things that it would be helpfulfor me to have their perspective on before they go to bed. And we may have tovolley a few questions.

And so I've embraced that. Puttsy uh, that Jeff Bezos wouldcall in the morning. I could try to get that all sort of wrapped up by 10:00AM, including my workout. And once that's all done, then I'll go into just,okay, what am I going to get done today? And the hope is, is over time thatthis habit builds that my quote, unquote deep work session, and we can get intowhy I don't log Cal Newport very much later.

But, um, My hope is that I can develop the system so that myactual deep, deep work periods start around 10:00 AM and kind of last throughthat middle part of the day, which is actually very, very channel. Hm. Butwe've got a lot of experiments. I'm also, I mean, on the diet side, I've, uh,recently noticed some sensitivity in my, my gut from.

Just various things that I've been eating and, you know,around Thanksgiving time, the diet, I mean, we're all human, right? And sosometimes you try foods that don't necessarily serve you. And I startedrealizing that I was like getting this experience of bloating and I'm like, wow,what is this? Uh, and so recently I've developed a little bit more of a heavierfasting protocol.

Um, A N a low FODMAP diet, which FODMAPs are just simplycertain types of sugars, uh, that you can remove from your diet. And it'spretty restrictive. Uh, so it's part elimination diet over the next couple ofweeks, just to see which of those are triggering that bloating feeling. Uh, butmore on that probably next year, when we do a gym session on that.

Roy: [00:41:08]Next year. Well,

Boomer: [00:41:09]yeah, it's crazy. 20, 21. That

Roy: [00:41:11]sounds far. That sounds so far.

Boomer: [00:41:14]Yeah. I mean, I mean, dude, you got it in a year in Bali, so enjoying themoment. Right.

Roy: [00:41:20]And definitely getting my vitamin D as you see, my hair is getting that. Yeah.You

Boomer: [00:41:24]look like you're ready, you know? And so leave hip hop and go into eighties,glam rock, but that's okay.


Roy: [00:41:31] Orbeing a super say in, but, uh, but, uh, yeah. It's uh, wow. There's so much, somuch, so many points that came out from this morning routine. I've also, youknow, I've, uh, I'm in a new location now, so I had to change all my,everything

Boomer: [00:41:51]basically is your clients are all in other time zones, right? Right,

Roy: [00:41:55]right.

Definitely. So I, I, I start in the morning. I wake up, Iopen my Tinder.

Boomer: [00:42:01]Oh, um, there

Roy: [00:42:02]you go. And no, I'm just kidding. But I wake up, I also try to, um, meditateand stretch. I've been feeling, uh, uh, quite a bit of, uh, Like tents aroundmy neck. So I usually start my morning with like spins and not spins like body.

Yeah. I guess like body composition stuff and a bunch ofwarmups and things that I picked up from movement and just do them in the morning.Um, get my body moving. Do a 10 minute meditation usually.

Boomer: [00:42:33]Yeah.

Roy: [00:42:34]Then I opened up my, um, my phone and see if I got messages from my clients inAmerica. And to see that we got everything straight and we're good to go.

And then I usually go out for a surf for me because here inBali, I've been lucky enough to get in here and there's waves every day, almostso no there's waves every single day. Actually, if I look for them enough, uh,I go surf. Usually it's about a two hour thing. Another thing I've incorporatedin my morning.

Before I go surfing is, um, I bought some MCT oil.

Boomer: [00:43:15]Oh man. Butter. Roy, the biohacker little Bulletproof

Roy: [00:43:19]coffee. Yeah. I mean, I'm a bit late to that train, but I, I kind of, I startedincorporating bullet-proof into my day. Cause regular coffee just gets mejittery as hell. I think I'm very sensitive. Uh, so Bulletproof coffee in themorning, uh, with, uh, I actually throw a banana inside, so I get that.

Extra energy.

Boomer: [00:43:40]Yeah. Are you using, they're using regular coffee or decaf? Uh, regular. Yeah,I just, uh, just like, I just went decaf for, Ooh. Um, basically like I've cutout caffeine for the past couple of weeks. I'm going to say like, I'm sleepingso much better, which is, which is awesome. But anyways, let's go back to,let's go back to, how does Bulletproof coffee help your surfing?

Does it

Roy: [00:44:05] sonot, not only my surfing, I, I just, I feel like it might be the MCT. There'snot enough research behind it, but, um, I just don't feel, uh, as many cravingsin the, uh, along my day. I don't feel the need to just like grab a suites,which I, I do have a sweet tooth. I think we talked about it and just, I don'thave these, all these needs because I have the energy and I have the, the, whatI need from my body to go on.

So I would usually go for a surf after the Bulletproofcoffee. Um, and from there I go to the sun and we have a sauna here dove thatis we have a sauna and a cold plunge in the spa. Yeah. And that's, that's beentransformative for me. It's been just like going in for that. It's um, it's nota, it's not a three, three degrees Celsius, but it's a, it's a 13 degreesCelsius, which is cold enough to really challenge you.

Um, so a cold plunge. I get into that cold plunge. I'm now Ican get in there for like eight to 10 minutes. So I do sauna lunch, her mom,like the steam room, a plunge again, steam room plan zoo, then maybe,

Boomer: [00:45:27]or wetting my appetite man. Like this makes me miss Bali even more.

Roy: [00:45:32] Ohman. It is so sorry for that. But anyway, that's I usually finish with cold.

And then I feel like Superman. Yeah. Um, but then I'm goingto eat something, which would be my only big meal of the day, usually. So, and,and, and that's the thing. I feel like my, my. The coffee is still there. Likethe, the energy is still high, so I can go through that meal and keep goingwith my day. Good.

That's what I've been feeling in my life, but that's when Istart work, which would be at, I know it's late, but around 12 o'clock.Probably something like that. 11, 12,

Boomer: [00:46:13]o'clock it works for you. Right. And I think if anything, uh, during this wholework from home situation, we've realized something, uh, which, uh, I've beenkind of harping on for a while in this feature of work world, is that.

Really what matters is you just get the work done. Right?And so it gives a shit. If you start at 9:00 AM and finish at 5:00 PM, likejust get, get the work done whenever he can at your best workflow. I know forme, like that's usually in the morning. And so I'm much better at gettingthings done in the morning than I am in the afternoon, for instance.

Um, I'm also better in the evening that I'm in the afternoonand you can work with that strategically to like, just have it work. And if youwant to go surfing in the middle of the day, that's totally fine. Yeah.

Roy: [00:46:58]Yeah. I mean, there are a lot of people who kind of, uh, me included I've sinnedin that, which I like, I, I blame myself for being demotivated and in certaintimes of the day, and it just, you know, you just got to listen sometimes ascliche as it sounds fricking, listen to your body for a second and see that youmight be.

I'm not fucking functional after 10, uh, 8:00 PM. I'm notvery functional. My buddies, my buddy wants to start going to sleep. Um, and soI'll, I'll get, I'll get maybe some, some, a little bit of writing done orsomething like that that would just like end my day peacefully. Good. Um, and,and that's the thing I feel like, and.

W I want to take it back to Callan Newport. Cause you sayyou had a few things that you kind of,

Boomer: [00:47:49]uh, um, disagree with him on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the cow. I appreciate whathe's done, um, in terms of how he's, he's written books and all this stuff, andhe's done a decent amount of research, uh, but I think there's context witheverything, right?

And so, uh, Cal Newport preaches, you know, deep work,digital minimalism, uh, et cetera, and rather than kind of, this gets to adogmatic approach of towards productivity and. I think that's pretty dangerous,just like dogmatic approaches to diets are because if you tell a wall streettrader to go and do three hours of deep work during the day, he's going to gotell you to fuck off.

Um, if he, uh, if you go and tell. And influencer to stayoff of social media. That's kind of stupid because that's how they make theirmoney. And so with everybody, there's different approaches. And I know for mylife, I have a hybrid approach between David Allen. Who's been on the show, uh,and Cal Newport, who at some point I would like to have him on the show, but hewrote this article, the, the.

I think the major issue that I have with Cal Newport rightnow is that he wrote an article, I think, for the new Yorker or New Yorkmagazine. About, uh, how getting things done was dead and just the structurefor getting things done at a high love. GTD GTD I like that. And so DavidAllen's. Yeah, and he just, he wrote this article, but it had no real substanceto it other than people have problems with GTD over the longterm.

Um, and that, that is true. It's very hard to adhere to overthe long-term. But that doesn't mean it can't be used as a tool for some. Andso by seeing that as dead, which I guess he did for clickbait purposes, uh, hein effect, um, Really just kind of cast off this whole idea as nonsense, whichGTD has helped millions of people around the world, uh, just kind of get theirhead together.

And in fact, if you actually look at the components of GTD,what it's trying to do is get you into sort of a zen-like state by having youget stuff out of your brain and onto paper. Um, whereas Cal Newport's very mucha fan of. Uh, not using inbox zero and other strategies, but he, his articlewas not very substantive in terms of what is the next approach, uh, after GTT,because deep work certainly doesn't work for everyone.

And so I think there is, there's a medium there, which I, Ihope he expands on the future, or at least I'd love to bring him on the showand talk to him about it a little bit.

Roy: [00:50:33]For sure. I have to address something in a, and you know, like not everybody,uh, likes Catholicism, but you know what, some people do amazing things withCatholicism being the theme to their life and, or, or, you know, or whateverreligion you can take it anywhere.

Right. There are people doing amazing things in every field?And I'm sure there are people who really benefit from, from Kaelin Newport.

Boomer: [00:51:03]But

Roy: [00:51:05] myproblem was, I was actually, you want another thing? I was in a, I was in atantric workshop a few weeks

Boomer: [00:51:13]back. Um,

Roy: [00:51:16]Yeah, it was fun. It was just like, it was also a click-bait kind of thing.

It was like the webinar, uh, approach to things. They werepromoting their workshop and whatnot. But the, the, there was a girl and a guyand the guy was always caressing the girl and you know, like there's soperfectly together and blah, blah, blah. And, and the thing was, she was givingadvice and she was like, love is not porn love is not, she starts like,sounding like a, like a.

Preacher. Wow. And, and it really like that's the momentwhen I shut off, it was like halfway through the workshop and it was clearly aperson who's not. To just like, in my opinion, it's clearly not a person who'svery balanced about their thoughts because they're not presenting it in abalanced way. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, a scientist, when a science is talks to youand you and, and your listeners can challenge me and just go back, they neversay it's like that. They say science suggests, blah, blah, blah. You know,because there's always in science, there's always, uh, Yeah. And there's alwaysa room for doubt. Yeah.

Which is what I love about science. And that's what what'salso like, very, very dangerous with, uh, cult leaders or, you know, like, um,religion that people just come up to you and say, if you don't do that, thisand this and this, you're going to die in hell. And it's like, Whoa, wait,wait, wait one second. What if I do want to follow?

Why? Why are you pushing me so far away? Exactly. Right. Iknow. And that's what this article is. About for me. It's it's it pushes meaway. It makes me want to use these methods

Boomer: [00:52:55]less. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And look not everybody's a productivity nerd too.And it's uh, so for some people they're just fine where they are, but if you'relooking for productivity information, um, I would just encourage people tocheck out all sides of the story before picking one.

Roy: [00:53:14]Definitely. Um, yeah, I want to lead this conversation to another place, um,because you, you, you lead all the conversations I'm doing. I want to, I wantsome of that. I want some of that. Uh, um, I want some of that leading power.Okay. So, um, let's, let's take that because we've talked about books that wekind of liked and maybe, maybe, uh, less agree with let's, let's take some ofyour favorite reads, the ones you use for, um, for your.


Boomer: [00:53:44]Yeah.

Roy: [00:53:45]Your breakfast books champions.

Boomer: [00:53:47]There you go.

Roy: [00:53:48]Yeah. And what, and what year you're actually up to in terms of favorite readsfor 20,

Boomer: [00:53:54]25th. So yeah. So let me let I mentioned earlier, and we kind of give a teaserabout this, uh, morning. Routine where I read a chapter from four differentbooks and those four books are all revolving around a theme of decision-making.

Uh, two of them are actually by the same author, but, um,The art of the good life by Ralph Dibeli. Uh, the artist thinking clearly alsoby Ralph Stover belly, uh, the tower of Charlie Munger right now, although thatcan be swapped out with poor Charlie's Almanack at any given time. And then,uh, the fourth one being, uh, thinking fast and slow by Daniel.

And so all of those have to deal with how to make betterdecisions because, um, one of my. Involvement. My main involvement is, uh,requiring me to make a lot of better decisions faster. And so it's, um, reallyworking on that muscle, if you will, to make better decisions. Now that that'ssort of the first part of the morning, it takes less than an hour to read thosefour chapters.

In fact, it's probably more like 30 minutes now. You asked aquestion about favorite reads of the year. And I have to glance over at thebookcase in some cases, because. Uh, there are many, many good reads from theyear, but let's just start rattling them off. Uh, you just tended at religion.So, uh, I, I've obviously gone through a deep investigation of spirituality andwhat that is to me.

And one of the books that's helped me with that is the Goddelusion by Richard Dawkins. And that goes a lot more into. Just sort of theparts of, of organized religion that I didn't necessarily agree with growingup. Um, but also helps me kind of look at the parts of the organized religionthat didn't, don't really make sense.

And, uh, at least to me, and that that's been helpful aswell. Now let's kind of look at some of the other. Reads, uh, any Duke has a, anew book out also on D D uh decision-making uh, which escaped the name escapesme. It's on my audible, but, um, I think it's called how to make decisions andshe's absolutely fascinating.

Um, she takes a lot of Daniel Kahneman's work and makes itmore reachable for people, which is obviously useful. Um, a lot of my healthfocused research this year has gone into the cannabis space and kind of lookingat the endocannabinoid system and how that helps, uh, things like our nervoussystem and neurotransmitters, and is involved in so many bodily processes, butwe know very little about it.

And so, uh, the cannabis pharmacy is certainly a good bookto look into on that. Uh, now. It's because cannabis is continually, uh, comingout with new information, new science, as it becomes, uh, easier to do theresearch. It may get outdated soon, but, uh, cannabis pharmacy is certainly avery interesting, uh, book.

I would recommend the hard copy book or paper copy ratherthan the audio book, because the audio book gets tough to follow at certaintimes. Um, And then, uh, I'm just trying to think of what else I've beenpulling around these days. Well, let's, there's from a classic startup point ofview. The one that I always go back to is, um, crossing the chasm and that's agreat book now.

Th this is a business book. And from a another point ofview, looking at psychedelics is inner pass to outer space. And if anything,I've become more convinced that these substances. Can play a role when usedcorrectly and responsibly in helping with mental health. And so I know thatfrom personal experience, but I also know from some of the things that maps isdoing in phase three trials with, um, With the FDA, uh, on along MTMA and PTSDand some of the things that could be going on in the psilocybin space, it's allvery, very exciting to me.

And so if you look at my focus, obviously I have a verydiverse focus for reading. Um, I still read passages from the Vedas, forinstance, uh, every once in a while when I need to sleep, because it's verygood for that. But also it's just a fascinating book that's been around forthousands of years. And so.

Very very, very diverse reading again. Um, but I like totake these books and kind of extrapolate little pieces from them and see ifthey can kind of go across different knowledge platforms in the sense that whatcan I learn from the cannabis pharmacy that may apply to productivity? Uh, andthose kind of, uh, that kind of critical thinking if you will, has served mevery, very well.

And I believe it kind of touches a little bit on orthogonalthinking, which is. Core tendency of mine, uh, that I, I embrace, but that'sjust some of them I do read quite ferociously. So probably put down at least abook a week. And I know of others that put down a book a day and I haven'tgotten there yet.

No more Blinkist. I do have Blinkist. Um, I use, I mean, butI don't necessarily count those. Um, I use Blinkus in a different form than Iused to. So. Blinkus actually serves two purposes for me. I guess the originalpurpose is how I used to use it, which is how to de devour business booksbecause there's dozens of business books I could publish each week.

And most of them, the idea can be summarized in one or twopages, which is what Blinkus does for me. The other way or use it as a screenbefore buying books. And so I'll listen to the Blinkist and if I really, reallyliked the book, then I'll go out and buy it because, uh, or if I like theconcepts in the book, I'll go out and buy it because I know that Blinkus isonly able to capture so much in 10 to 15 minutes or however long the audioBlinkist is, but it's, um, It's extremely useful tool for helping me identifywhere, um, where I want to invest more money, more time in a longer book.


Roy: [01:00:18]Um, something a segment I want to add to what you were saying is, uh, do youhave any new gadgets that you've been, uh, been messing with since our last

Boomer: [01:00:30]conversation? I mean, Let's look at that. So, uh, the inertia wave, I'm notsure if I talked about that, the last conversation, but the initial wave issitting right here and it's kind of like a battle ribs gone wild.

Um, it's very, very good for core exercises and actually ourmutual fund. Josh Holland got me turned on to those. Um, but it's good for, Imean, it's very, very good for core exercises. Uh, I have the UVB lamp, which Imentioned earlier, and that helps with, um, But it certainly helps with, youknow, getting vitamin D here in the winter.

And, uh,

Roy: [01:01:04]one of the things I'm feeling like the snake.

Boomer: [01:01:06]Yeah, exactly. Feeling like a snake. Exactly.

Roy: [01:01:09]You will start doing,

Boomer: [01:01:12]you know, have you ever taken one, um, noxious Harry Potter quizzes online tosee what house, you know? Yeah, I did once and I tested in the slither and forsome reason I don't know what that means about me, but maybe that means I couldspeak snake or something.

Um, Let's see what else? I got an whole new work from home setup.Right? And so what I did was is I invested more time focusing on how do I makethis sort of Zen den dojo, if you want a much more productive for me. And so Iended up with a curved screen, you know, the new Apple Mac mini and like thespeed at which I can do.

Things is a lot faster. And so this entire construct. Ofstuff, uh, with me behind me, et cetera, has been developed to help me just getin States of flow a lot easier. Um, that being said, another thing that'scoming today that I'm looking forward to report back on later is a saunablanket. And so. You have access to an infrared sauna where you are, I will nowhave a blanket at home because gyms are closed here.

So I can't necessarily go and get, uh, in a Sonic cabin, butI'll be able to have a sauna blanket here. And then the last thing really isthe pin in my arm, which is a continuous glucose measurement device. And so.Uh, the company is called very V E R. I I've done an Instagram live with theseguys on the IgE TV, but, uh, I'm fascinated by the idea of measurement and havebeen like this, one of the foundational things that we've talked about in thispodcast many, many times.

Uh, but glucose is one of those markers that so easy tomeasure. We can now measure it continuously. And you can look at, uh, yourreaction to things like exercise reaction, to things like cold plunging andcanals, which is what I've been doing, uh, quite frequently, uh, reaction tothings like sauna, but also how foods react to you, um, or react for you.

And so, uh, that allows you to get more bio individualized.And if anything. Uh, the conversation always come back, comes back to me to howdo I take all of this information out there and make it useful to myself andcontinuous glucose measurement has definitely helped me in that arena.

Roy: [01:03:36]Yeah. I definitely like to hear more about that.

I mean, like dash has been doing it on her, uh, side andthat's been cool. I feel like your, your, um, your progress would be somethingthat I would, that I'm interested. I would be interested in knowing more about,but, um, Yeah. So where we're done with gadgets experiments. Oh, you weretalking last time we were talking quite a bit.

You were talking about, uh, psychedelics. Do you still, um,are you, do you still have a little, a little bit of a microdosing, um,protocol or anything like that?

Boomer: [01:04:14]And you know, this is virtue of the fact that I live in a country where. Thesesubstances are easy to acquire and in most cases legal and yeah, so I'm able totry these things at my leisure.

I do have a micro-dosing protocol, um, where I do it twice aweek, and that helps me with anything from focus. Uh, but also, you know,there's oftentimes in life that we all get. Sucked into the weeds or thematrix, so to speak. And you know, how do you create that distance for yourselfin order to, um, to re recognize what's really, really important, but also tokind of bring you back to center, so to speak.

And I find microdosing has helped with that. Um, Has beenknown to have effects on the ego and kind of dampening that and the ego, itdoes certainly serve us to a certain extent and has from an evolutionaryperspective, prevented us from getting killed. But how do you take, uh, that.Evolutionary perspective and now passport it to the modern world.

And so the ego can get you in a lot of trouble here and, youknow, by using microdosing substances, it's, um, it's helped me dampen the egoand make better decisions in many ways. So I still do it about twice a week.Uh, I generally like to spend that time, uh, either in deep thought or deepwork. Um, and it it's, I got to say probably one of the more profound.

Uh, just entering into that world of psychedelics has beenone of the more profound changes that I've had over the past year, at least. SoI racked up. I don't want to recommend it to people because it's not certainlynot for everybody. Um, but there are plenty of websites out there and we'vedone an episode with Paul Austin.

Uh, his become a friend from the third wave and I wouldencourage people to check out the third way, but check out that episode if theywant to learn a little bit more about it.

Roy: [01:06:15]Yeah. In general, you know, the, these, everything we've, we've talked about,it's it varieties, you know, like we, in people on this podcast, they just talkabout the things that, that help them tick.

And, you know, that's why I feel like we need to have a bitmore conversation with the people listening to this, you know, like, eh, anyonewho's listening to this right now, you know, We want you to let us know alsowhat, what you'd like us to touch, but with that said, you know, what would youlike to see?

Because we are working on, on the newsletter.

Boomer: [01:06:55]Yeah, exactly. Boom, boom,

Roy: [01:06:56] boom,boom. We're just currently working on a newsletter and with, with your in, itneeds to be, you know, hand in hand, he wants to provide value for y'all and ify'all want that value, we want to hear from you. And, and know what you want tohear more about, because you've heard like, along this, along, along the lineshere, boomers doing a lot of things, but you know, there's not, he, he, if heneeds to, if he needs to write about one thing, it'll take a little while.

So we want to know from you, what, what would you like to.To, to hear more about what processes, what all these kinds of things. So wecan get guided into giving you the best content and 10 possible and also bringthe best guests.

Boomer: [01:07:40]Yeah. So easy, man. That was a funny way. Well said, thank you.

Roy: [01:07:45]Anyway, uh, I wanna, I want get back to something that you were touching andthat will probably close our discussion for today.

And it's, you've been, I told him, I said it last time, butyou've, you've made a transformation this year and. You've yeah, you've, you'vejust transformed yourself and, and, and I'm sure that that people feel it, butalso I want you to talk about, about patients and about the things that you'vekind of drew from, from this, this whole, this whole year of total chaos, whichyou know, is supposed to by the lot of people.

Boomer: [01:08:27]Yeah. That's um, wow. Okay. So let, let's see how we can, we can, uh, unpackthis. You mentioned the word patients, which is something that I almost had theantithesis of. So I was very, very impatient most of my life, and actuallytrying to force things to either work when they didn't or to force something tohappen sooner than it probably should.

And so what's ironic about this year is, um, as I alluded tothis many times earlier, but you know, I've spent most of my time on the roadin the past, and now I'm forced to sit in one place for a undisclosed period oftime as a result that. Has folk really forced me to develop patience. And sobeing able to develop patience around that and being able to say like, Hey, Idon't need to accomplish a hundred to do's in every single day, I can take thisslow and kind of make sure it's done right.

That has been transformative in of itself. Um, being patientwith other people and just making sure that, you know, They have what they needin order to succeed. They have what they need in order to thrive and notnecessarily expecting them to behave in whatever convoluted message that I havein my head is.

Um, and so th that that's been transformative in itself, uh,in terms of. Just things that I I've had to do in that process is just kind ofletting go of, of certain attachments, uh, which I'm not sure how I'm going toexpand on that, but I'll, I'll get into that a little bit. Um, but also, uh, Ithink there's a lot to be learned from great books out there.

And so a lot of the stuff that are a lot of the. Benefits of2020 for me has been able to assimilate a lot of this information that I'mlearning from these books and kind of run these experiments in my life to seewhat works and what doesn't. And a lot of these, uh, these books that I'mreading, you know, sometimes the stuff doesn't work and that's okay.

You throw it out. But, uh, being able to, um, really takethat information in and implemented has been transformative. And then, uh, oneof the. Later things. Um, Or at least on the sort of brain front as being ableto accept that I don't have to do everything. And if it's okay to say no andactually embracing no is the path to getting, being more effective.

And so I've, I've actually become a lot better at saying no,uh, Again, it's still a journey to me because I used to be a yes, man. Yes,I'll do it. Yes, I'll do it because in my old finance career that served mequite well, but now it's certainly not serving me as well. And so I've been alot more cognizant of saying no more often now.

Um, From a, because this is also a conversation aroundhealth optimization. There's certain things that I've done throughout this yearthat has helped me optimize my health, um, and brain power. And so let's getinto a couple of those from a health perspective. Uh, sometimes it's easy toignore the Canary in the coal mine at the.

Um, at the really benefit of looking at what is sexy. And sothis year I focused very, very much on something that wasn't very sexy to me,but I knew would be beneficial and that has been gut health. And just makingsure that I have, um, an optimal microbiome for me. Now we talked a little bitabout what's been going on with my diet.

Um, but also looking at just making sure and rigorouslytesting this through things like three-day stool tests, uh, to identify whatthe bacteria imbalances are, presences of fungus, et cetera, and just makingsure that those are actually being dealt with. Um, so. Embracing the thingsthat are not sexy has been very, very beneficial.

The, uh, on the cognitive side, obviously I do a lot of workwith transcriptions or I'm part of prescriptions, and that has brought a lotmore knowledge, uh, to the brain for me, and sort of redefining new tropics as,um, Not only chemical compounds, but also lifestyle, uh, components and lookingat adding more lifestyle components to, uh, enhance brain function.

And so, yeah, from lifestyle components, extra, um, uh,lifestyle components, I've really geared my diet towards both optimal nervoussystem function. So the ability to, um, respond to stress, uh, but also, uh,really, um, Cognitive function as well. So using a strategic things likefasting to help my brain run better now on the compound side of things, thatwas great about being a part of transcriptions is that I get to experiment witha lot of different, uh, compounds in the, in the background that people don'tnecessarily get to see, um, I still have this fascinating fascination and havetalked to Neil Greenberg about nicotine in general.

And I think nicotine is one of those fascinating compoundsin the world, if you can use it correctly. Um, but also, uh, I love blue Canadaand it's one of my favorite, uh, go-to nootropics in terms of brainperformance. So that kind of gives you a Le landscape of it's kind of, what'sbeen transformative for me over the course of the year and.

Well, it's been more funny than anything else is that I wentaway from finance, uh, in, towards this health path. And now I'm kind ofmerging the two and it's been an amazing journey. And Roy, thank you for beinga part of it. My friend.

Roy: [01:14:42]Hell yeah. Um, I think we should do another, another podcast about, um, thatrevives around this connection between finances and health.

And, uh, because just because, you know, uh, health andhealthy lifestyle brings some. It does bring up some costs. Yeah. Right. Itdoes bring, bring up some, uh, um, decisions you've got to make. What are you,what are you investing in? What are you invested in? And I think that we're inthat point where maybe next jam session where we'll expand on investing.


Boomer: [01:15:24]Well, you certainly can. That's uh, I'd love to do that. My friend, do we needto wrap up here? I

Roy: [01:15:34]think, I think we're, I think we're, we've, we've fed people with a bunch ofinformation. And

Boomer: [01:15:41]what's your number? What's your number one book of the year before we close out

Roy: [01:15:44]my, Oh, my number four. We're talking about

Boomer: [01:15:47]me now.


Roy: [01:15:48]Um,

Boomer: [01:15:50]I

Roy: [01:15:50]mean, I've been kind of, I I've talked about Trevor MOA, the last, uh, in thelast podcast and that book really affected me. I wanna, I wanna say, I wannagive you a book, but I've read so many things and I've read about so manysubjects this year, but mainly I've learned so much about my nervous system andabout how it works in about, uh, fight or flight.

And I really. Uh, recommend people indulge in stuff likestoicism. And if you guys are a part of waking up app, Then go and try, go andtry the course. There's a course about stoicism there. It's I think it's onehour basically of info, but it's golden and it tells you about negativevisualization and breaks down in the most.

Um, it's just so tangible and, and, and it makes you learn alot about it because I think stoicism can actually eliminate a lot of, a lot ofpatterns. It, it it's in my life. It's, it's transformative in my life. Uh,I'll tell you that. And Kaizen has been an amazing thing that I've been lookinginto for a while now.

Uh, Bob malware has some amazing books about it, um, aboutjust the way that fight or flight works and. And why you shouldn't be ashamedof it. Yeah. Cause you know, uh, people are, you know, they, they don't want tobe afraid because of this, uh, um, the way that we see ourselves or whatnot. SoI don't want to give one book away.

Cause I think there's, there's so much, but. I would lookinto these, I'm looking into these areas and now, um, epigenetics has been abig part. Cool.

Boomer: [01:17:52]That's something I know a little bit about so we can chat about that later.

Roy: [01:17:55]Yeah, yeah, yeah. So these are my favorites. I think we want to close it aroundhere.

And also again, like, I, I urge you guys to just like, letboomer know what's up and because he really, I know that guy and he puts. Allhis heart and soul to what he does. And I think he deserves to kind of know what'swhat's going on your side and what would you like to know more about? So, so hecan tailor more that content, uh, to you and there's stuff coming up in 2021that you'll know about very soon.

Boomer: [01:18:32]Yeah.

Roy: [01:18:33]But w. With that said, we love hearing from you guys. So just like, let us knowwhat's up.

Boomer: [01:18:40]Thank you, Ray. And yeah, Roy's right. There's a lot of stuff coming up in2021, a lot of really exciting things. We're going to get the signal, which isthe newsletter rolling out. And I would really appreciate it.

Um, if you either a email me. Uh, or just get in touch withme on social media and let me know what you want to hear about in thosenewsletters, because the stuff is for you. Yes, of course. It's, um, somewhat aself-serving exploration and education, but also, uh, the stuff is for youguys, the audience. And so, um, you know, I would encourage you guys all tosubscribe to the YouTube channel, follow me on Instagram, get on the email listbecause there's going to be a lot of fun shit coming out in 2021.


Roy: [01:19:25]shit.

Boomer: [01:19:26]Awesome, bro. I appreciate you, Roy. You are an Epic individual and I'mprobably interrupting your surf time right now. So I need to let you go

Roy: [01:19:35]now you again, I love you, brother. Love you

Boomer: [01:19:38]too. My friend take care of everybody. Thank you for tuning in.


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