The Soul Crisis: Addressing Awareness in the 21st Century with Tim Freke

Boomer Anderson
February 19, 2020
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Exploring the idea of consciousness through awareness, with Tim Freke, Author of Daily Telegraph 'Book of the Year'. Tim and Boomer explore unividualism, the idea of being an eclectic, why society is going through a soul crisis, and how to find purpose in the 21st century.

Who is Tim Freke?

Tim Freke is a pioneering philosopher whose bestselling books, inspirational talks, and life-changing events have touched the hearts and minds of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. He is the author of 35 books, translated into 15 languages, including a top 6 Amazon ‘Surprise Bestseller’ and Daily Telegraph 'Book of the Year'. In his latest books 'Deep Awake' and 'Soul Story' Tim offers a revolutionary approach to awakening for the 21st century and a visionary new understanding of the nature of reality. Tim is the creator of Unividualism: A Deeper Way of Living and the founder of The International Community of Unividuals.

He has been exploring spirituality since a spontaneous awakening when he was 12 years old


[4:09] How does someone get interested in philosophy

[8:56] Being influenced by ancient traditions

[13:56] Differentiating deep awake versus consciousness

[19:50] Soul crisis

[44:09] The purpose of life

[55:04] Constraints of consciousness

[1:00:03] Tim explains the concept of unividualism

[1:09:27] Tim answers the superhuman six


The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley

In the Light of Death: Spiritual Insight to Help You Live with Death and Bereavement by Tim Freke

Deep Awake: Wake Up to Oneness and Celebrate Your Individuality by Tim Freke

Soul Story: Evolution and The Purpose of Life by Tim Freke

Factfulness by Hans Rosling

Episode Transcript

Boomer Anderson 0:06
Welcome to decoding superhuman. This show is a deep dive into obsessions with health performance, and how to elevate the human experience. I explore the latest tools, science and technology with experts in various fields of human optimization. This is your host, Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey. All right now superhumans, we’re going to switch things up a bit today. Before introducing my guests. I want to give a shout out to you guys for listening. This podcast has grown far beyond what I imagined. And I really appreciate all of you that take the time to listen and those who leave reviews on iTunes Of course, we picked up a five star rating from Pt 29, who says consistently high quality guests and good interview Well, pt 29 I really appreciate that because there’s a lot of effort that goes into it not just from me, but from the team behind the scenes that makes all of this really work. Let’s get to my guest today. Tim Freke is a pioneering philosopher whose best selling books, inspirational talks, and life changing events have touched the hearts and minds of people worldwide people like myself. I was introduced to Tim’s work through a couple of books by very close mentors. And he is the author of 35 different books which have been translated into 15 different languages, including a top six Amazon bestseller and the daily Telegraph’s Book of the Year. Tim is the creator of unividualism, a deeper way of living and the founder of the international community of unividuals. What did we get into, as you guys know, and those who have followed me on social media know I’ve been exploring the idea of consciousness and how to be bringing about two more mainstream audience for a while now. Because often with that word comes a lot of Woo. And Tim is anything but Whoo. So today we explored the idea of consciousness through awareness, we looked into not just unividualism, but the idea of being an eclectic, why society is going through a soul crisis, and how to find purpose in the 21st century. The show notes for this one or at, that’s F R E K E. And if we’re going to have any discussion on awareness, it’s nice to have our brains running at full speed right? For optimal cognitive function, especially when I’m traveling, one of my favorite tools is Blue Cannatine. Its delivery format as a buccal choki at dizer. Tongue blue, and it leaves you with this state of what I’ll call limitlessness for up to three hours after implementation, no hard come down. Just really pure enjoyment, focus, and yes, awareness. Head on over to to get yours. And enjoy my discussion with Timothy Freke.

Tim, welcome to the show.

Tim Freke 3:34
Thank you for inviting me.

Boomer Anderson 3:37
This I told you before I look, this is a conversation that I’ve wanted to have for such a long time and because your books have had a profound impact on how I view this thing called life. But as I’m listening to the books, and I do recommend that I love the audio books if I’m listening. And the question that comes to mind, the first question that comes to mind is how did you get into the idea of or just the area of philosophy?

Tim Freke 4:09
Well, I think the the real answer to that river I don’t have a sense really, seriously dumb, but the real answer is, because I, I found myself in this incredibly puzzling predicament as a child, that I was alive. And for whatever reason, I never was able to take it for granted. Everyone else seemed to be especially the grown ups seem to be going around like this, as if they didn’t notice they’re alive. They certainly didn’t want to think about the fact that they were going to die. And or really question What the hell the purpose of it all was. Yeah. And, and, and I felt those questions very, very strongly, all my life. So and for me, it’s like, you know, I am a professional philosopher, and I studied philosophy but, but really, I’m a curious human being. That’s why I am And, and there is a part of me that doesn’t understand why everyone doesn’t walk around the whole time going, what the hell, because I kind of do. And, and I saw, the real motivation behind it is simply that life is a breathtaking mystery. And the more I find out about it, the more I understand, the more mysterious it becomes.

Boomer Anderson 5:23
It’s almost like sticky because I’m going on this journey. And I think you obviously have been doing this your whole life, but I’m going on this journey and it feels like a little like the Dunning Kruger effect where I started I thought I knew what life was and now I’m on a little bit further down the road and I realized I have no clue. And I still am on peeling the layers of the onion. When you started studying philosophy in this concept or the trying to answer the question of the purpose, the meaning of life, what avenues did you go down? I think you’ve I’ve heard that there was some altered states of Consciousness involves and I’d love to hear more about those as well.

Tim Freke 6:03
Yeah, they’re absolutely key. Because what actually happened for me was quite young, about 12 years old was that whilst just sitting on a hill in this tiny, small little town I grew up in in the southwest of England, sitting with these questions, while taking my dog out for something happened, I’d say now that it was the first time I experienced a shift, what I call being deep awake. And I never experienced it before, as far as I knew. And it was a legend the way it was, but something profound happened. So right from the start, was this recognition that what I’m looking for isn’t just a status. This isn’t a collection of words. What I’m looking for is an actual shift in my experience, and what came from that, that that shift. Was this profound relief, a sense that I was connected to everything, and this enormous love. And from that this kind of confidence that despite all of the horrors that I could see going on in the world, and my fears and all the rest of it, that there was there was something very good here. So the philosophy, in an organized sense became about trying to understand how that could be true. And it still is, how can that be true? Is that just an illusion? Is that just wishful thinking? Is that just endorphins going through? Or is it something significant? And my own conclusion very soon was when it happened again and again over the years, was really significant. Because in those times, everything doesn’t seem less real. It feels much more. There’s a real profound sense of I’m more awake more, and when I see more. There’s this confidence in existence. So what I’ve been doing is trying to understand that and the lines of philosophy The thing that led me down was to explore all the spiritual traditions I could lay my hands on, to see how they, they’d understood this state, I soon realized that the people who, who, who had had similar experiences were the two things or the Zen teachers or you know, all of these guys. So I wanted to hang out with those people, I wanted to study with those people and read those people. And I wanted to experience it again, by their techniques and to see what they whether they worked or how I could do it. And what I found was it was everywhere, and including psychedelics, any anything that could go How can I do that again, and, and the to the xo, the experiential, and the philosophical for me, I’ve always been like that. They’re the same thing. They, the deeper my understanding, the deeper my experience that even my experience, the more I have to understand.

Boomer Anderson 8:53
Wow, where do I go from there

of the experiential the different traditions, ancient traditions that you’ve gone down. Which of those have had a particular influences on your thinking? Or are they all universally the same in terms of feeding into how you thought about it?

Tim Freke 9:13
Well, my first, my first thing was to follow a thread which Aldous Huxley had developed to my regime. In his classic book, the perennial philosophy, which was him going look, there’s something perennial here, since I realized much later, when I was writing my books on Gnosticism, that he’d actually taken that name. I think, like minutes of juice, it’s centuries before him. And he and way back in the ancient world, the Greek philosophers have used it, this idea that there was a perennial, something which people were getting. So that was a performance it was feeling of look, whether you’re in the Taoist in fifth century BC, China, or you’re in a Vedic philosopher, or in India or your gnostic Christian or whether there’s something the same here and the theme of today. Think is the same is the experience they’re talking about. Or, honestly, it’s the same, essentially the same. I think the way you think about the experience will color the experience. So if you’re thinking in a desperate term, like I did, as a little boy, you’re more likely to go I’ve experienced God if you’re more likely to go on, I’m in the data. But there’s something the same. There’s a sense of oneness, and connectedness and profound compassion as because it comes from the connectedness, and a feeling of meaning that there’s significance to the human journey and goodness, by everything there is and, and so my first thought was that most of my early books are about the different traditions, and they’ve all touched me in different ways. That’s the other strip. What’s unique about this time we live in, and it and it moves me away, because it’s happened in my lifetime. I grew. I grew up in a in a world which was more eclectic spiritually than it ever happened in history. So I could go down to my bookshop and As a teenager and by the dhammapada I could buy the Gospel of Thomas I could get review parashar there’s like it was all there waiting for Yeah. Now of course, I just got on my phone and get the audio to just Well yeah, it’s just like

and and so that’s that’s created a unique situation for us, which is one of the fact we can we can we can actually see not only can we be eclectic in the sense that we can choose the bits of work for us, we can see where they overlap. We were in a position like no other and for me when I was in my teens and 20s as this was coming through still common name and there was a sense of Oh, it’s the spiritual supermarket you shouldn’t be an eclectic the pressure I felt from my from the teachers I was you should choose Are you a Sufi? Are you a good is what were you gonna be? Because otherwise you’re just flitting around on the surface, but I never could. And I’m so pleased because what I feel was is the the calling of our time is to synthesize that into a new philosophy. So they all touch me and they’re all different. It’s like I love you know, the love and forgiveness at the heart of Christianity’s is powerful. I love the transcendence of Buddhism. I love the earthiness of shamanism and that sense of connected and from the earth. I love the the devotional aspects of the Sufi, the beloved, seeing the universe is something you’re in love with. I love that kind of naturalism and flow you get in Taoism, they’ve all got, it’s all light. And my own feeling is they’re all my tradition, because I’m a human being. I don’t have to be Chinese or Islamic or I’m a human being. They were human beings like me, nearly all of them actually are eclectic. So that’s why we remember because they knew. And it’s always by combining things from the past. So each, each of these groups I’ve just mentioned, with the explosion, where they happened that we remember, is a time of eclecticism where something new is born from all things. So I feel very much like when there’s one tradition, I’m part of that, and they’re my people. And I love them all. And I want to, I don’t want to repeat what they did by just doing the same, I want to repeat the essence of what they did by the assignment to the next phase.

Boomer Anderson 13:16
This is such a, that term eclectic is such a refreshing term, because I think many of all of us have struggled with some sort of element of identity, right? And you want to assign a label to everything. And sometimes it’s okay to have the melting pot rather than the label. I love that.

Tim Freke 13:39
Yeah, that’s the only creativity I think always entails that doesn’t it? fails the willingness to break down the old structures that are formed, and then combine things in new ways and respond to the new situation.

Boomer Anderson 13:56
There was a term you used earlier and it’s The title of one of your books but I just want to do a little comparison and contrast in the term deep awake versus consciousness. And one of the reasons why I haven’t covered this too much in detail on podcast before is because that term consciousness comes with a lot of baggage because of some people that have representative before. Queen just go through the differences between the two terms and how you would define them if there are different at all,

Tim Freke 14:30
ya know, with the word consciousness, what everything around spirituality comes with baggage. And, and the reason I mean obviously, you could say everything comes with baggage really, but the negative the negative stuff around spirituality, I think, come because we there’s been an explosion of our scientific understanding, which is a mess since we’ve been talking different countries right now. You know, isn’t that phenomenal? It’s amazing. Yeah, our understanding in the last hundred years has just exploded exponentially. Spirituality hasn’t. And so, in one area of mainstream into the mainstream intellectual culture is died on its feet. And it’s being held only by pre rational religions, which anyone who’s developed a sense of rationality, just simply meaning you have a good reason for what you believe, is not going to look at pre rational religions and go that’s not good as just as written an old book that is not a good reason. So there’s it’s got a bad press, and then what’s come in its way has been a kind of melting pot of things trying to address that and it hasn’t really come of age yet. Part of what I’m trying to do is develop a rational spirituality something which you can find all of the human beings throughout history have really been fascinated by, you know, science came from people who were exploring esoterica, but it came the alchemist These people are these were deeply inquisitive, awake people. So I want to rescue it really and we form it. Where’s my consciousness depending what we approach you approach it in a scientific view you get one lead in spirituality can be just about anything. When I talk about being deep awake and consciousness, I mean simply what I’m aware of an unconscious of what state I’m in. So when I’m asleep, I’m in the state of being asleep but I’m dreaming on instead of dreaming when I’m awake, I’m in the state of waking, but the waking state is various as well as you know, I could be tired and irritable, I can be happy I can be all sorts of and what this awakenings about for this double awakenings like you’re awake and then you become deep awake, is you just see deeper into things. And it’s not for me, it’s not like a switch where there’s just one state is actually a whole spectrum of things which you become conscious of and When it happens dramatically you really notice it and and anything can do it you know, it’s it you often it’s traumatic I’ve just literally come back from a funeral and around death people can wake up quite a bit fishing your own death facing the death of others suddenly you’re like whoa Hang on a second I’m alive What is this and other states can open up but not you know also giving birth falling in love just reading a book sun on your back for no reason at all it but suddenly you go from this narrowness where you’re kind of half alive really semi conscious state and us that’s the best description of the I can give actually, is this. For me, it’s like this

Boomer Anderson 17:45
Remote Sensor removing of the tunnel so to speak, right?

Tim Freke 17:48
Yeah, so tunnel vision, which is like I just see this and it’s and it’s purely where you’re putting your attention. So, retention is and you know, we have to pay attention to all four Just survived. So it’s no surprise. And that’s not wrong. You know, it’s not bad. It’s not like don’t feel the future and all that stuff is I know what she was thinking the future. But also, it’s really great to know you can take your awareness and sink it into the depths of your own being and the depths of life.

And there’s an unexpected

there’s an unexpected gift waiting for us when we do that. And suddenly, it’s like, whoa, I’m a I really feel alive. I really awake. And, and I have an appreciation of life that I was missing before. And, and, and that’s why I want the experiential side of what I do is to help people have that experience for themselves. And feel the love. I mean, the love is the thing pretty much So for me, this profound sense of connectedness, and it’s the, if I’m really in a very, you know, I’m philosophy, meaning purpose, but really, the only time I’m I actually feel this profound sense of purpose and meaning. And that is in that is when I go deeply into that state when that love is there, everything’s worthwhile.

It’s not it’s more of a struggle.

Boomer Anderson 19:14
Before we go into some so experiential and maybe perhaps how somebody would start to dive into this themselves. He talked a little bit earlier about the pre rational religion versus the sort of mishmash of stuff that’s trying to form right now. for lack of a better term, I know mishmash is not necessarily a technical term, but just it would you is that the soul crisis that we’re going through right now, and if if it’s not, I would love to just define the soul crisis because I think that will resonate with a lot of people.

Tim Freke 19:50
Yeah, well, I’m, I started my latest book, soul story, but this idea that we’re in a soul crisis, and I think what I mean by that is that This exponential growth in our understanding of physics, science generally, but but physics particularly, has given us the modern world. And it’s amazing. And our understanding is just enormous. I mean, it’s just incredible. The power and consistency slow to problems, of course, but it’s quite brilliant. So I mean, I’m in all of these people, and, and, and immensely grateful to them. But there’s been a price and that’s because Sciences is associated, in my view, wrongly with a philosophy. And often people scientists themselves don’t even know that there’s a philosophy there. They think it’s just the way it is. But actually a philosophy and I think it’s a flawed philosophy and it leads to this view, that really, if you’re intellectually up to it, if you’re, you know, you’re not going to direct your if you’re kind of almost it’s almost like a matches if you’re mature enough to face reality. The truth is, you’re living on a small piece of rock In the middle of nowhere, and you’re a clever monkey, you’re going to be here for a few decades, and then you go on. And that’s it. So, in the that’s an incredibly neat, realistic view.

Boomer Anderson 21:14
You basically just took my view from six months ago and brought it in this conversation. But

Tim Freke 21:20
yeah, and and it comes at the moment with a sense that anyone who’s not completely whoo, whoo, believes that. Now, it’s going to set us into a crisis. And and it does, because what it’s done is it’s taken the whole of our culture’s history and cut us off from it. And it’s cut us off from experience. Now, the reason that I don’t go with that, primarily is that I have through whatever reason, spent my life exploring experiences, which that can’t explain. So it’s not that I don’t like it. It’s I don’t get it, but it’s not that it’s that it doesn’t work. It’s not addressing things. And one of the things it does is is the probably the centerpiece of it is it’s reductionist so that starting the science to 300 years ago and it hasn’t still really funded off in the way people think, although in actually in terms of its own theories it has third of the by reduction isn’t just means you’ve explored the explain the greater by reducing it to the lesser so I don’t really love my life, I think I love my wife, but really, it’s chemicals in my body. Or, you know, I think I’m thinking these thoughts, but it’s just neurons in my, my brain, that’s all it is, where everything comes down eventually to quantum particles or, and there’s a you know, even if you go right into it, everything’s determined, because it’s all course the fact and people the Einstein thought pass was a futures already fixed. So why do we bother having this conversation? Because it’s all fixed and horrendous view of existence. And I think just Wrong, just wrong. So the soul crisis comes from that. And literally I call it a soul crisis. I use the word because it’s provocative, because you know, does the soul exist and all of that the word soul comes from a Germanic root, it means exactly the same as the Greek word. psyche. See, you’re experiencing the soul right now. Everyone is it you Everyone is experiencing two things. The body which is a experience of sensation, a sensory world, and the imagination and imaginal work, which is the soul or the psyche. What this negative view of this we’ve got at the moment does is it just goes Oh, that is just a kind of, it’s really just this. That’s it. But the whole, the whole essence of what science has actually shown us itself through this incredible film. an evolution, which we now have, which is extraordinary is that the whole universe has evolved from hydrogen and helium, to everything we may say to you and me having this experience of soul. And these 14 billion years, it’s gone from a gas to this. And if you couldn’t, you couldn’t possibly say, Well, this is just really hard hydrogen. It’s like, No, no, no, it’s become this. And what it’s become is a trans material experience of psyche. That’s the latest thing. That’s where the whole these 14 billion years have gone for ghonte. So we need to stop dismissing that, that’s just a byproduct of biology and start recognizing it as the most important thing that’s happened. And that’s what spirituality can come back in and a new form, because it’s a study of that realm. It’s a study of, you know, how big it is out there. What its structure is, what is its geography is if you like We can actually draw on those traditions, put them in that we need to understand them in a new way. But we don’t need to dismiss them. And the problem is, all of the meaning is in the psyche. And you can get that I love to try this because I love this because it always works for me. If you if you just think about the sands on making, there is just, you know, if there is a monkey making sense, that’s all you got is Ooh. But the sirens are conveying meaning. But there’s no meaning in the sense. That sense, the meaning is all in the psyche. There’s an extra level of information above the fact, which is the meaning that I’m conveyed. And that has no physical.

It can’t find it in the world. It’s not in the world. It’s in the psyche. So if you reduce everything, to to just the lowest common denominator to matter, you will do The meaning of existence and the meaning of existence is on the highest levels of emergence, not the lowest. And that’s what we’ve done. We’ve reduced these high levels, which are full of meaning to the lower levels. And then we’re wandering around thinking, Oh, we live in a meaningless universe. There’s no point to anything. I’m just going to live I’m going to die. What’s the point? And actually, I don’t think it’s like that at all. And if we can see that, then we can enter a new things.

And individually, of course, as well.

Boomer Anderson 26:29
So if I’m going to extrapolate a couple of takeaways here, it’s not that the iron Rand objectivist view of the world is completely wrong. They’re certainly if I’m being eclectic, I can grab certain things from that and use them accordingly. But, and I’m stealing some of your language right now. Where we are in the world is we have all these new scientific developments, but in order to get from From here to there, meaning the next step, we need to re embrace what this objective this view, scientific, rational, whatever you want to call it, has tried to minimize drive that right. And so that’s sort of the emerging area of evolution being spirituality. Sorry.

Tim Freke 27:21
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. And it requires spirituality, you know, to really shape up

his own worst enemy.

Boomer Anderson 27:30
So, and I would love to double click just sort of on that then the own worst enemy thing. But in the interest of time here, because I know we’re going to go down a few more wormholes. How do you begin exploring this because you at 12 had a very young awakening for lack of a better term. Mine was much later and I’m sure there’s people listening to this right now. They’re kind of just really on the fringe of potential. doing this. If you were to guide somebody along the way, what would you tell them to do? Speaking of cognitive enhancement, one of the tools that’s in my toolbox for really better sleep, which does lead to improved cognition, improved focus, is the Vielight. I have the neuro alpha home and I use it every other day, because that’s what Dr. Lew Lim told me on the show. I found it very effective for relaxing evening. It allows me to get deeper meditations but also better sleep. If you want yours, head over to and use the code Boomer, you’ll get yourself a nice little discount back to the show.

Tim Freke 28:46
I think the center thing is is just be willing to be open to him to the mystery to be able to date. But it’s more than that. It’s not just like dating The way you see the world, although that is important, always, I do it all the time. Because it frees you up. And, and also makes, you know, if you can really doubt your beliefs and they stay strong, they’re worth keeping. So that’s great. But this deeper than that mystery is to really, to really sink sense into how enormous what’s happening to us. And that’s they’re kind of doing this. And if you go deep enough into that, then I think that’s when these transformations can happen. And then there’s of course, there’s techniques and I teach techniques and my books like deep awake, it’s got lots of meditations you can do in and, and, and what I do in my live events is I get people really entering into that through connecting with each other. So there’s lots of, you know, and that when you come together with other people to explore, it becomes a lot easier. Because we, excuse me, we support each other. So a shift is is easier. But it also you know, I think when you’re ready when you will You want it when you open yourself to it, it really can’t just, I’ve seen it happen so many times.

Boomer Anderson 30:06
So both ends of a barbell, so to speak, are quite overwhelming. On the one hand, if we take the reductionist point of view, our life is meaningless, and we have nothing to live for, and therefore, why am I even doing anything today? But on the other hand, if I look at we’re all loving, caring, connected, that can be extremely overwhelming to when you know, I get really bad customer service from the internet provider. How do we even if my inclination is to go to one into the barbell, which is the loving, caring connected part, but at the same time, it can be quite overwhelming to address that concept. How do you get there without? I mean, maybe do you need substances? Are there ways to ask yourself questions?

Tim Freke 31:00
Well, just in terms of the awakening, I do think many people do get their first jolt eight. And either with traumatic powerplants or chemically, I didn’t. I do think people have, and my own feeling with it is it can be a helpful way to start. And it can be helpful along the way, but I wouldn’t rely on it or I wouldn’t do it regularly because it’s doing it from the outside. You want to be alone to do it for me. But like everything, you know, I think we all none of these things are to be dismissed. They’re all they’re all interesting. And then your other question, which was, how do you deal with deep question, really good question. And, and I think with that, it’s about trying to cut through the naivety and and you know, if you set it up, you can almost, I can hear myself doing you know, I say it’s about love deep connection. Immediately. There’s this soft D kind of thing which comes into my Because that’s the way we associate him. And there is a form of that love and connection. She’s delightfully soft and pink and fluffy, and it’s lovely and all that. But love isn’t that love. Love is much more than that love is big and strong and tough. And, you know, like soldiers funeral and bury both my parents in the last six years. And what saw me through the suffering involved in that was love. Because it’s so strong. And likewise, you know, dealing with the challenges. I think that’s that, that that what I’m looking for, isn’t how to be nice. When I can be nice, it’s nice to be nice. Sometimes you have to be tough. And sometimes you have to go that’s not good enough or you know, I leaving your service to your service provider or whatever. And there’s things which people are doing well, which are horrendous, you know, here’s an example. Maybe it makes sense to people. Which I I’ve started using because it’s kind of close to my heart. My daughter is 19 and she’s just left last year to go to university in Scotland, the other side of the country. Now I am not there with her going, darling, just go out there and be loving and open and just like no sorry, I’m not. I’m not because I know she needs to protect yourself. But I also don’t want her to become so protective that she can’t open up. So what I want and I think what she’s got, as far as I can tell right now, is this ability to do this. If so, the love isn’t just you know, it’s not like a you know, it’s not that kind of, it’s not just the hippie love. The Love is a is a is a is a thing you’re developing inside yourself, which is a deep connection even with those who you need to oppose or those who are need to protect yourself from are those that we need to mock up in prison on Those who are doing bad things in the world that we it’s an underlying, it’s something which holds all of that. And, and so we need to cut through the naivety of these words. They’re lovely because of their warm, but we need to see them in in deeper ways or use different words. It may be that for some people, were just

Boomer Anderson 34:22
given some of your recent experience and actually, this kind of came up in soul story, suffering as a form of love or a great form of love that I don’t like suffering. I don’t know many people that do. How should I grasp it? Again, there’s going to be a lot of questions here that I’m just gonna say, how should I even grasp this? Because like, suffering is a great form of love. I don’t like to suffer. And so how do I am I just defining suffering and the traditional way and that’s the issue.

Tim Freke 34:57
I don’t like I didn’t I don’t Know that I mean, I kind of feel like I agree with you. I don’t like stuff. I don’t like myself. I don’t like anyone else. And I don’t like philosophies that try to philosophize away suffering. And a lot of the traditional philosophies that go, you know, God’s running everything. Why is all the suffering? Oh, I don’t know, he moves in mysterious ways. It’s like, that is not good enough for everything in your life plan. That’s like, really, what you know, it’s like cancer for a two year old little girl. Like, really, it’s like, I was not good enough. So the philosophy that I’m that works for me at the moment, is this evolutionary philosophy that’s in my book, soul story. And what that does with sufferings, it goes look, suffering is is a result of the fact that we’re in an evolving universe. So my body is biological and it has biological limits, biological needs, and pain is built into that to that process, and sometimes, it will respond in ways that are really terrible. And for the people and then the same with the psyche, you know, there’s elements we psychological suffering, and it’s like it’s not that those things are good, it’s more or that we should love them or, or the love can hold them. That’s what I’m saying. It’s not that the love approves of them logos, okay? They’re all it’s like, only the love can redeem them. So it’s big enough to go okay, I can be with this suffering in other and then from that you can help transform. So that’s, that’s more how I would see it. And the redeeming quality of this evolutionary story if you if you basically what I’m doing is I’m saying look, the evolutionary story which science is telling, which goes physics 10 billion years biology 4 billion years, the end part is the evolution of psyche or so. That is what spirituality is always be concerned with. And there’s one narrative. So this is the end point of evolution with dealing with which is why we’re spending all our time there. You and me, who spent all our time in the psyche. You’re going to get my body does this funny thing when its arms because it has to do when I talk, but we’ve been hanging out somewhere where it’s Nope, that’s something else will to go. So that there is a redemptive quality to that, because it can move towards the better. And if we can tune into that evolutionary current, we can, in our own journey, move towards the good, and collectively help the collective to move towards the good, which means loving the suffering, not not approving of it, not but actually bringing our care our loving attention to it. And the fact that you and I are lucky enough to live in such a good world with such confidence. And such a lack of suffering that the vast majority of human beings and our ancestors had is because of other human beings. We’ve done that we’ve just gone, let’s make this better.

And we need to carry on doing that.

Boomer Anderson 37:55
Isn’t that next step and one of the things that you talk about is the idea of, well, I guess emergent spirituality, but on the evolutionary chain is this next step, really or the goal? This idea of I’m trying to put together words here, like unrestrained love, or just sort of universal love, or what what do you foresee is the next step really, for everyone on this path?

Tim Freke 38:27
So I’ve coined a new word for it, which is an insult story, because I felt a new one, which is, I think, I think the process we’re in right now is where we’re evolving from individuals into unit vigils. And what I mean by Universal isn’t the Joe who’s conscious that they’re actually one with the universe. And that I think it’s there’s been people like that throughout history, but I think we are moving collectively in that direction. And I think it’s happening without even seeing it and the level of connectedness now is quite extraordinary. The level of compassion has never been so high. We think we’re living in a terrible world. And of course, in some ways we are. But the level of connection is extraordinary. That people, lots of people genuinely feel connected with other human beings. They’ll never ever meet on the other side of the planet to happen to be in a bad situation, or something people really care. This is unheard of in history. Most people hated their neighbors. And that’s all they knew. And and this is a massive transformation. People, there’s cross species compassion on a massive scale, and needs to be, but it’s there. And these are all new phenomena. And I think what’s underlying them is this growth in the sense of unity and then what can come from that is this deeper, what would traditionally be called a spiritual awakening? You don’t have to use that word, wakening to oneness that is when you go on. Hang on. I am the universe arising is 10. What else could I do? Be literally my body was made carbon was made in the in stars I mean I am the universe, I’ve arisen from this 14 bit 14 billion years of evolution has turned into me meeting Tina billion years of evolution that’s turned into you. And we are the we are both individual. But we’re also one with everything. And it’s that that changes things. Then the problems which you beautifully took us to with the whole nother question then becomes How the hell do you live that and you are how do you navigate the fact when you recognize I’m I am one with with everyone and everything, but I’m also able to assemble. And I don’t think there’s any easy answers to that. I think that’s what we’ve got to discover. With that’s the growth of wisdom. And it’s a challenge and and we need to work it out individually. We need to work out politically we need to work out a million ways. Actually every moment we’re working at Where we end where the rest begins. But that’s the transformation. I think that’s happening. And with it comes this incredible sense of meaning that you’re in something significant. Your life matters, it really matters. And you have something to contribute by being you. And by being you in this more expanded way, you have something huge, just by being alive.

Boomer Anderson 41:26
can play. I’m gonna play a little bit of devil’s advocate here because I enjoy that role sometimes. So, when we, when we start to break down the idea that we are just a mix of carbon, nitrogen, sulfur, all of these atoms, which have come about from this big bang, and we are all part of the universe. My ego is talking right now and saying, Hey, I’m special, right? And how do I resolve that when if I’m already Part of the universe then we’re all equal. And you know, growing up in a capitalist society like the United States, you kind of are taught to compete, right? How do I, how do I even deal with that? I’m trying to deal with it on the fly right now.

Tim Freke 42:20
So I have this thing, which is in my, not my last book, but before that giveaway, and the mystery experience, before that, I developed this idea called para logical thinking, which is really both and rather than sort of monological either or, and I find this incredibly useful with everything. Because we tend to think it’s one or the other. So usually, when you enter opinions on anything, people go on, this is what it is, no, this is what it is. Whereas actually, both are saying something. And if you listen hard, you can go, Oh, it’s a bill. That’s kind of true. And let’s go and they fit together like this. And and, and that’s how I feel with with these questions. We need to be able to see both sides of whatever it is. And if we do that, and we can come to a deeper understanding, I mean, it’s, it’s kind of at the statement of the obvious in ways but like, I’m looking at this computer screen where I’m seeing you, but to know what it is I need to go around the other side to the back of it as well. Because it that it’s not just this, it’s also that, and we can do that with everything. It doesn’t resolve the tension. So it’s not like some, you know, doesn’t mean Oh, everyone’s got to be in the middle. It just means sometimes it can be about moving your attention between the extremes. So these are things that you did it yourself and said, Look, the Ayn Rand view is saying something It really is. Or when I said look, science, I mean all of it, how amazing it is. But we can keep that it’s amazing. We just need to add this to it if we want to, you know, take it forward. So when I get that on the universe, It means I have to start now looking at how I live that at that paradox out more deeply. That’s

Boomer Anderson 44:09
how does this come around purpose in life? Because at 30 I face this existential crisis and frankly still kind of go back and forth with it sometimes that like hey what am I here for? If we are the universe and we have this all knowing but what how does that help us to find purpose on a day to day basis?

Tim Freke 44:40
Well, I can say how it works for me see that so we use the when I when I’m, I need to talk about time.

Boomer Anderson 44:50
Oh, yeah, let’s let’s go into the time streams place. Because I have that on my notes on things to ask and at some point, I knew it was going to come out but let’s money’s nice.

Tim Freke 45:01
Let me took a time. And then we’ll go from time to purpose because the two and what I my whole, as a curious human being in the middle of this bizarre thing called being alive, I want to understand my experience and my experiences this flow of change. And I’m presuming it’s the same thing. So there’s a flow of change, which you could call time, one thing follows another. But what I noticed about this flow change is that every new thing, what First of all, every moment is new. That’s one thing. That’s pretty amazing. And why every moment is new, even ones that are similar. It because every moment is built on and contains the moment before it pours. And if you keep going back, that means that every moment that’s ever happened is implicit in this moment. So they’ve all built on each other. So So And that is kind of obvious, isn’t it? Look, you know me getting born is in this moment you getting born us learning to speak English, the

the the the the evolved evolution of the human species

the Big Bang, everything. So time the past hasn’t gone anywhere. This is a this is a view that’s kind of similar to the idea of what’s called the expanding block universe in physics. The actually time is is accumulating, it’s expanding all the time. It also means that the universe is made of time, or made of the past. It’s made of the information, which it’s already gone through. Because it’s a process. It’s not a thing. There aren’t a thing. Everything is process in time. And that also means that you and I are processes. We’re not things and you’re made of the past. So what’s our identity? We’re, I think our deep real identity is you will ever think you ever be Everything you’ve ever experienced and so much, and we’re meeting everything that’s ever happened to Boomer, everything that’s ever happened to Tim, I like where we are meeting. And this is and now we’re inside each other because we’ve connected so we’re now entangled and and our pasts will always this will always be part of. So that in itself, I think is just that I just does weird things.

Boomer Anderson 47:25
It’s incredible. It’s doing where I’m just like, my finance brain goes, Hey, this has relationship to the efficient market hypothesis. And there’s a whole lot of stuff going on, Justin, that. So people if you need to pause this for a moment, digest it, go for it. Sorry, I cut you off there.

Tim Freke 47:45
No, no, not at all. Because I felt I felt I felt it as I was speaking. And I’d love to know. I’d really like to know, I don’t know whether you want to say anything or they’ll go to purpose. But I’d like to me what you meant by

Boomer Anderson 47:55
the efficient market hypothesis. So that I was just thinking of it in Again, this is off the top of my head. So anybody who’s listening who is a Eugene fama fan, please don’t bash me within the scope. But the efficient market hypothesis just states that stock prices are baking in all of the information that’s known, and therefore the only way really to invest is by buying index funds essentially. And, but essentially, where I was kind of making the connection was that the past is baked into the moment and everything that is known as baked into the moment, which is how I was making a connection to the current time stream.

Tim Freke 48:39
That make sense. Yeah. So So we take that approach purpose, what strikes me is

we have this 14 billion years of evolution, you know, the reason just to tie thread back maybe that we didn’t quite time at the beginning of the conversation. Science, the way science will change, in my view, and why all of this will come together is because 100 years ago, we developed evolutionary theory for the whole universe with Big Bang Theory. And it’s worked really well, really, which means we live in an emerging universe, which means that new things are constantly emerge based on the past, there’s been novelty and sometimes huge novelty. And that’s what’s got us from hydrogen and helium, to you and me thinking these thoughts, and which means this cannot be a reductionist universe cannot be, because otherwise, if you just took all the chemicals in my body and put them on a chair, it would be the same as having meaning. And it’s not. There is something more than added in this emergent process. So reductionism is just wrong. And it’s wrong according to science, not just according to spiritual philosophers like me. So that will go eventually it will take time for it to filter through but it will go. So here we are in this emergent universe, where each Creative in a sense, it’s bringing new things into existence all the time. What are we we are that process? So what’s the purpose of this? Well, you could say it feels to me that there’s not so much that the universe has a purpose. It’s just that its purpose is what it is. Meaning it is the evolution of ever more emergent possibilities. It’s the realization constantly at more emerging possibilities. So based on what’s happened before now, this basement now there’s so if that’s the case, then then we are the We Are the universal, which we’ve arrived at this level when we’re experiencing soul or psyche, wherever your soul strings with this flow is happening for us of the imaginal level. So our purpose it seems to me is to do that, ourselves to to realize our potential realities and ever more emergent ways and the thing which marks outside as different to hydrogen atoms or anything in between, is that we can do that consciously with consciousness as we choose how we do that. And, and the little twist which is worth adding, as well as that, once you see oh I made of everything I’ve been, then you see unfolding myself in every moment, at the choices I make of what I do, how I think what I value, these will form what I am. So, what’s the purpose to to form yourself to stop to to it’s a soul formation if you’re watching you are in every moment, and you can engage with that consciously, and in that process, realize your unique potentials and contribute to this evolving universe. And each one of us can do that in a completely different way because each one of us is literally calling the center of the universe. I mean, literally from Big Bang Theory, the hope centers everywhere but know that But each one of us is the universe looking at itself, becoming conscious of itself. And each one of us has a unique combination of qualities. So any quality I think I’ve got, I can find someone who’s better than me and worse than probably, you know, there’s just no. But this unique set of qualities, this really is me. And that gives my unique perspective. And I see that with everyone so that you know, I’m with people at my retreats for instance, America, high level people doing all these amazing things. I meet people like those a lady in her 80s and just just brings this presence to their surroundings and their loved one. And it’s like, Yeah, perfect. They’re the same in a sense, they’re both finding the most emerging way they can be in the universe, and and in so doing the taking the university.

Boomer Anderson 52:54
So there’s a point there where I was at early On where I was basically thinking like are we faded, but the difference between being faded and what you’re stating is, if our purpose is to to consistently emerge or actual eyes just to use a different word, the word that are the control that makes us different and therefore not faded is the consciousness and the ability to control how we do this, that correctly so

Tim Freke 53:30
yeah, so so you can see this creativity, if you want to give it that word. And I mean, actually, the word was coined, I believe, by and Whitehead specifically to describe a quality of the universe processes so that there is constant novelty in the evolutionary process. Now, there’s probably good reason to think that the first 10 billion years that creativity is mainly random, producing things but going in a direction and but in order Random way, then when you reach life, you start getting agendas stay alive, I was going to eat,

do manual labor, my bookkeeping

happened. And so that so that at that point you developing consciousness, there’s a feedback loop whereby you can actually start choosing so that so that our quality of choice is the creativity of the universe at this level of emergence is quite so important. Which is why, you know, if you take that, you know, took my if you took my ability to choose away, you took me away. Like that’s what that’s that’s my power in the universe ultimately, is through choice. And I don’t think it’s an illusion. I don’t think it can be reduced to neurons firing or chemicals. I think it’s a an emergent property of existence. And it’s an emerging but it hasn’t arisen from nowhere. It’s always been in the universe. It’s just that the thing that creates the random creativity has turned into my conscious creative This emergent process is taking us from physics to

Boomer Anderson 55:04
psyche. And so in the, in this emergent process and sorry, I think I just cut you off there in this emergent process people who are not free, so to speak, and there are people in this world who have for whatever circumstance or another are not, they would be almost a step behind in this process of evolution. Do I have that right?

Tim Freke 55:27
In what we’re doing, not free, not free to make their own choice not.

Boomer Anderson 55:32
I’m thinking the word that comes to mind is slavery. But I’m more thinking like people that exist in countries where there’s no freedom of choice.

Tim Freke 55:42
Okay, so so external comes Yeah, exactly. Because there’s this

Boomer Anderson 55:47

Tim Freke 55:48
internal constraint, which is where you are unconscious, of the choices you’re making. And we’re all in that and part of the challenge evolving I think as a soul as a psyche is to make myself conscious of that. And and I’ve been lucky enough to have the chance to do that in my life and I’m much freer than I was. And that’s why I doubt things I can move on from things hold the world’s open up whenever I do that, I recommend it to everyone. And any question you’re developing yourself by reflection on yourself. Then there’s external constraint, which is a whole nother thing. And what’s interesting is the people who have been able to develop such internal freedom in the face of external staff and human beings can do amazing things and and for the rest of us that have less externals constraint. And, you know, we need to create a world where we can get rid of them. And and, and I love the fact that our history shows that we’re willing to do that and that we have been steadily doing which is why the world we live in now is so much better than the world has been in history. mean unbelievably better. And everything’s like that we need to keep So you mentioned go back to something you said earlier which we dropped, which is, you know, you get you live in a capitalist society like, we both do. And that’s my competition and it’s like, that’s the parallel logical in Cyprus right there. It’s like well, competition is good thing is it’s actually good week economically it’s good sport. It’s good. You know, just personally it can be good as a little bit of competition good. But competition on its own is ugly and devices. But competition in a context in which you see what the sport is a really great analogy. If I don’t watch a football soccer match,

Boomer Anderson 57:40
because you can sorry, complete dv

Tim Freke 57:44
Man United How could you How could you resist a team called man?

The not very popular vote. But if you if you if you if you go and see

two teams play, you’ve Got foot, especially full on competition

within this immense cooperation. So there’s a context within which everyone is cooperating actually to produce this marvelous human spectacle, and agreeing on what is and isn’t okay? And finally how to do it all. And yet within that, we can have this kind of right, okay, you make me better and I’ll make you better by competing. So that’s the parent logical inside. And that’s why for me, there’s probably, you know, in spirituality, you get a lot of it should just be love, we should just be all one. And that’s not true. We’re also individually we have to live, you know, it’s still my family I have to look after primarily, I mean, you know, that’s because we have to work with this paradox of being not just all one, also individually. So if you just get individual, it’s just individualism. And let me say this as well as individualism. You know, we’ve been through in my life The most intense period of individual individualism you know you can think what you’re liking where what your life is like Tara, you can be a sexuality can be what you like. It’s like a brilliant, because that’s freeing us from the unconscious code. We don’t have to be just about the unconscious or you can be you what that there needs to be balanced by is the universe. Not instead, I can either all thing but as well. Then you go on individual enough I can I’m Tim I’m not anyone else I’m really am Tim, in this unique situation and on everything. And that’s the mystical jump, which it said in the wrong way sounds like whoo, whoo. But it really isn’t. It’s actually obvious. And when you get it experientially, there’s this profound sense of connection and one of the words you can use to describe as love or compassion. And so although you’re still an individual, by necessity, and so you should be, you’re in a different relationship. You’re an invalid You should care with the other.

Boomer Anderson 1:00:03
How do you sustain this idea of individuals individual ism, because I’ve experienced it both in normal course of life, but also with the use of psychedelics. And look, it feels freakin Amazing, right? And then all of a sudden you get an email and boom, you’re back in the tunnel. How does one sustain? Is it possible, but other than moving on to like an island somewhere or something like that?

Tim Freke 1:00:40
So I think the honest answer is no, it’s not possible. I’m going to just jump in and say this. Well, by which I mean the idea that you could be constantly in that. Because I don’t know about you. But when that really hits and the Big Love is there, and it’s like the idea of sitting down with my accountant and talking about it, My monkeys like money, the cancer, like it’s like none of that’s going to doesn’t care. And your state of consciousness is so different, it lacks the sharpness. And you know, there’s it’s just different state. So my the phrase which comes to the came to me a while back was to stop personally I mean I like most people I in my area I’ve talked about being more conscious. But recently I’ve gone You know what, that’s the wrong phrase, it’s not about being more conscious, it’s about being conscious of more by which I mean that I have access to that state. So, then like what I said about my daughter she can do this I can do this you know, I can have access to this. So I can sit down I can take a while meditating, which just means for me just sitting quietly, opening up and I can go great. And then I can come back and go right read this book, or I got to deal with this problem or that person is ripped me off or, you know, whatever it is I have to deal with. And the way that I can find that other state is that The same way I learned to do everything, I just need to do it more often. So I can drive a car, because I’ve just done it enough. And the same with with waking up to these deeper states. That’s why the psychedelics are a great way to know they exist. But ultimately, they don’t necessarily help you reconnect with. And you need other ways to do that. And then if you do it enough, why, because when they do the past, so we’re habits, the whole universe is a habit or an algorithm. So what it is, and I’m a habit or universe is a habit. And so I need to set up the habit that I can go to a deep awake state and when I do that, I

Boomer Anderson 1:02:43
said the more often you do it, the more the running average becomes in a deep awake state and as a result, you can it’s almost like a relaxed control of it and that you can access it when you want and then go back and do what you need to do. Come back exactly.

Tim Freke 1:03:00
Exactly, is that what I want to be surprised? Also in the negative stuff comes from, because you’re made of the past. So I now know that the things in 10, which are a little bit jangly, or Angular or causing problems will keep coming back. Because they’re in and just like the winter will keep coming back, you know, it’s like things go in cycles, I go in cycles, but how I respond to it, how weather overtakes me or not, how I can move on from it. That’s that’s evolved massively. That’s Yeah,

Boomer Anderson 1:03:36
that would be I mean, that goes into a whole realm of like habit change, because if you if you recognize that your past often repeats itself, then you should be able to quite easily recognize when things come on and then for you, how does Can you just shifts that doesn’t happen. Let’s say you have certain negative behavior traits That have repeated themselves throughout time. And you can see it through your timestream. Shouldn’t you a certain state be able to pull yourself away from that negative behavior? shifted? And therefore change the running average of the timestream?

Tim Freke 1:04:18
Yes. And I love this running average.

Boomer Anderson 1:04:23
Coming from finances just

Tim Freke 1:04:26
that’s exactly yeah, I think that’s, that’s fantastic. Yeah, I think that’s what we do. And, and there’s two things which do it. One is the intensity of the new experience. And the frequency of some equation, I’m sure you could draw there about intensity and frequency to shift it. So it’s still in you. But that’s now is now in your past, you’ve moved on and you don’t, that doesn’t come up and, and I don’t think it’s easy to do that. I think it takes attention and to begin with you usually in my experience evolving over these last 60 years. I’d say that, that’s to begin with, I see it after it’s taken over, and then I recognize it, can move it. And then as I develop that facility that I can spot it as it’s happening. And notice I just noticed, as an old guy, I’m much less defensive than when I was a young guy. Because you know, now if my wife says, you being like this, thank you. I don’t stop.

Boomer Anderson 1:05:30
I try to do that too. Sometimes I don’t catch myself and

Tim Freke 1:05:36
and I’m amazed that the watching the next generation come up, they just seem like stuff that we struggled with is much your, your, your generation of dealing with so much better.

Boomer Anderson 1:05:48
Yeah, yes and no, I mean, we’ll see how it let’s see what happens is, as I was going to say, as time evolved, but that that phrase is probably taken over a whole new meeting over the course of this conversation, Tim, before I transition because I know I’ve taken a lot of your time and I want to be cognizant of that before I transition just into the final six, rapid fire questions. If someone were to want to dive in further with your books, where do you recommend they start? Because, you know, I know your thinking evolves over time I came in through lucid living, which I definitely see parallels from that book in our conversations, where should they start?

Tim Freke 1:06:36
Well, listen, live is a little short book is great, it’s very deep. And it’s my statement really, of how to understand the perennial teachings and spirituality in a in a very direct way. So that’s very good for that. Then the book after that deep awake is it development from that about how we can understand that more fully how you can experience the deep state This parallel logical approach to things. So that’s the kind of expansion of that which is probably a good place to start with the experiential stuff. And then soul story and is my latest book on the philosophy so it’s it’s the understanding part evolutionary part, how we can understand perennial spiritual ideas like soul and indeed the mortality of the soul. You know, which I think is key to bringing meaning to life, which is a whole nother subject. But those are the questions alongside science in a way I hope, which is really a kind of roller coaster of ideas. And isn’t doesn’t bog you down. And then so story. And like you said, the last two or three I think over a longer book, certainly the last two, and are I’ve just done them so they are. And then the other thing is to to engage with me directly. because more and more I’m doing stuff. Online, I have this small little community for the international community of individuals, which shortens for the ice See you which I really like because we and we are just launching with that I’m launching a weekly meetup on a Sunday where we meet up people all over the world. And we’ll one week we’ll do experiential stuff where I deep awake and another time we’ll get together and talk philosophy and people come in when they want to, they want to and and that’s a great way to to explore this to explore this deeper directly with

Boomer Anderson 1:08:26
the top virtual right.

Tim Freke 1:08:28
That’s Yeah, yeah, that is and I do do events. I mean, I’ve got a retreat coming up in Japan got retreat coming up in in a stately home in the UK. Oh my god. We did this last year. I mean, really, it’s a proper, you know, you stay in four poster bed. So it’s just crazy. The billiard tables bigger than my kitchen. It’s, you know, amazing and huge grounds and huge spa. We get to hang out there for days and just go right into this experience and what what happens with that You know, through through really just opening up to this is so possible for people to have this deep awake state in a way that it’s not like, you don’t miss it when you experience it. It’s it’s No, you’ve said it yourself it’s flat. It’s just and and we can we can do that we can get people that way we don’t need psychedelics and and people have the way and it’s just wonderful to see. So that’s that’s what that part of the work is

Boomer Anderson 1:09:27
incredible. I’m going to come back to the where can people find out more about you question in a second, but let’s just rattle off some questions just rapid fire here. And I’m very curious because with the first one, what book has significantly impacted your life if you can name one and how you show up to perform in it.

Tim Freke 1:09:53

Boomer Anderson 1:09:55
it see the book okay? For those who are watching this on video The bookcases are pretty Impressive. I’m going

Tim Freke 1:10:03
to I’m going to, you know, arbitrarily just choose the last

because that’s and because it doesn’t also doesn’t lead to spirituality. It just makes everything and a book which my daughter gave me last year. And it was fact fulness by Hans Rosling okay. And the reason I love it is because it just we have such a negative view of human beings and how human cultures evolved. And it’s ironic because we live in the best times. That’s not a huge challenges. But we did it in the best times ever by along the way, and we’ve been doing really, really well. And I feel we need that encouragement. So we can go hey, we’ve done really well let’s face the new challenges. So he did that for me. He’s very clear and love his clarity you can

Boomer Anderson 1:10:50
favorite piece of technology that you’ve purchased in the past year.

Tim Freke 1:10:56
Does this count I bought just before Christmas and I Bolton Niels framm piano sample thing to go with my logic pros musician. And just recently I thought I must make some music again. And so I bought myself this lovely piano so I was just saying. So I’d say that’s my by far my favorite type of

Boomer Anderson 1:11:18
music do you like this is a side sorry.

Tim Freke 1:11:24
I use a lot of music out events, magic stuff, lots of

sorts when I was younger, but not so much

Boomer Anderson 1:11:32
favorite holiday or vacation destination.

Tim Freke 1:11:36
I’m going for everything that I’ve just done because that’s an easy one.

Which I just loved. I went uh, my wife unexpectedly took me to Venice where I’ve always wanted to go in for our wedding 20th wedding anniversary instead. And God what a magic place to

Boomer Anderson 1:11:59
talk trick for enhancing your focus or productivity.

Tim Freke 1:12:05

Boomer Anderson 1:12:07
How do you unwind?

Tim Freke 1:12:12
I play on the PlayStation.

Boomer Anderson 1:12:13
Oh really? Okay. This may give me an excuse to go buy a PlayStation.

What’s the game of choice,

Tim Freke 1:12:22
the game of choice is FIFA.

So soccer on the PlayStation and that’s something I started doing with my boy when he was very, very small and grown up and left home. And then a certain point maybe a year or two ago I thought I could just do this myself couldn’t and now I’m a big I’m a big I keep telling my old friends. They should definitely play PlayStation because old people don’t. And I think we should because, you know, if I live a long time and I’m stuck somewhere I can’t go back. Fantastic.

So getting to sleep I got tonight so so I do that. I know.

Boomer Anderson 1:12:57
Where can people find out more about you?

Tim Freke 1:13:00 and because my name is odd as long as you spell it fr e ke and you’ll find me if you Google it so there’s loads of free stuff on there. And videos information, you can contact me directly there’s information about the Ico community meetups and YouTube there’s loads of channel on there and Facebook movers and guys you gotta check out

Boomer Anderson 1:13:25
story deep awake as well as listen live in great books. Tim thank you so much for taking the time this has been an absolute mind blowing conversation that’s for sure.

Tim Freke 1:13:39
I’ve loved it to thank you for inviting

Boomer Anderson 1:13:41
me on tala superhumans listening out there have an absolutely epic Okay. All right superhumans. Does anybody just love that discussion? I had a lot of fun as you guys can probably tell, but the idea of being in the flagstick really resonated with me. If you got anything out of this episode or if you just want to share what you got out of this episode, head on over to the social medias, you can head over to Instagram, if you’re comfortable putting on LinkedIn, LinkedIn, and tag me at decoding superhuman on either one of those platforms and let me know what you think. What did you get out of this episode? I look forward to hearing from you guys. And remember, you can check out the show notes at decoding slash freak, that’s fr the K e. And if you want to leave a rating on iTunes, head over to iTunes and just leave us a five star rating and a comment. Movie duerson Thank you all and have an absolutely

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