Finding Limitless: Nootropics, Smurfs, and Blue Cannatine with Dr. Scott Sherr

Boomer Anderson
April 29, 2020
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Round 2 with Dr. Scott Sherr. Our first discussion was focused on Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy. This discussion is a deep dive on nootropics and Blue Cannatine.

Who is Dr. Scott Sherr?

Dr. Scott Sherr is the Founder of Integrative HBOT, a worldwide consulting, education, and advocacy telemedicine practice. He is also the COO of Health Optimization Medicine (HOMe), a nonprofit education company that is using a foundational approach to shift the conversation away from illness and into health.

Dr. Scott also has the first HOMe clinic in the US, based in San Francisco.  

Dr. Scott is also an independent provider of Integrative HBOT who runs a worldwide education, consulting, and advocacy telemedicine practice. He is of the few HBOT medical professionals in the country who develops personalized treatment plans for patients.

He is also the COO of Smarter Not Harder, a product development company. Their first product for cognitive enhancement, Blue Cannatine, was released in early 2020.


[4:13] Dr. Sherr’s journey into Nootropics

[7:30] Cognitive Enhancement through Caffeine

[13:51] Caffeine Cycling

[17:13] Benefits of Methylene Blue

[30:21] Benefits of Nicotine

[39:37] Nicotine and addiction

[42:39] Hemp Oiil Crystals capabilities

[44:29] Drug Interactions in Blue Cannatine


The Hyperbaric Oxygen Episode with Dr. Scott Sherr

Nicorette spray

Stalking the Wild Pendulum by Itzhak Bentov

Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah

Blue Cannatine

Episode Transcript

Boomer Anderson 0:06
Welcome to decoding superhuman. This show is a deep dive into obsessions with health performance, and how to elevate the human experience. I explore the latest tools, science and technology with experts in various fields of human optimization. This is your host, Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey. My guest today is around two on the decoding superhuman podcast. But before I get into him, what he’s all about what we’re going to talk about today. Let’s head over to Apple podcasts and see what kind of ratings we’ve picked up over the past week. This one comes from U name it. five star rating entitled Excellent, thank you. By the way, Boomer provides excellent content for those interested in buying hacking the body with proven modalities and learning from experts on how to live and perform at your best. Thanks, Boomer for broadcasting this information. And I am so grateful for that review. It just kept me going, I could have gone on for a while. But thank you so much. U name it. I appreciate you and I appreciate you taking the time to write a five star review. If you’re interested in writing a five star review, head on over to Apple podcasts, leave your name or whatever they required you to do five stars and just tell me what you think about the show. I really appreciate it and I really appreciate all of you for tuning in. So let’s get to my guest today Shall we? My guest and again this is around to is Dr. Scott Sherr. If you guys recall our first episode, we went deep into hyperbaric oxygen therapy, the benefits there of how to do it, etc, etc. But today is a little bit of a different topic and it’s one of the decoding superhuman family’s favorite topics, which is cognitive enhancement. It seems like every time I have an episode on cognitive enhancement downloads go up, and I’m hoping that this is the case as well today, Scott and I delve into nootropics. How did Scott find nootropics? What did he use in college? And what did he learn from that experience? We talked about foundationally how you need to be set up in terms of basic health principles and actions before you start taking nootropics. And then we dive deep into a product that you guys know I love called Blue Canatine. We talk about each of the ingredients in detail the pluses and minuses of each, as well as any concerns you may have around getting a Blue Tongue, the effects of methylene blue or ham crystals or nicotine, or of course caffeine, but you’re want to check out the show notes for this one there at that’s s h e r r. And if you want to check out Scott’s amazing nootropic Blue Cannatine, you know, head on over to But again, the show notes for this one are And enjoy my conversation on all things cognitive enhancement with Dr. Scott Sherr.

Dr. Sherr Welcome back.

Dr. Scott Sherr 3:33
It’s been too long, man. Thanks for having me back.

Boomer Anderson 3:38
How’ve you been?

Dr. Scott Sherr 3:39
Oh, you know, locked down but doing well.

Boomer Anderson 3:43
Yeah, yes. For those listening to this right now in terms of recording time period, we’re talking COVID. And I’m sure this will be released before the end of the COVID experience, but, you know, who knows where we’ll be in the next couple of months or less.

Dr. Scott Sherr 3:59
We’re all Good to know how it felt to be at this time living through a very interesting point in history. So,

Boomer Anderson 4:06
yeah, yeah, shelter in place may be the phrase of the year, that’s for sure.

Dr. Scott Sherr 4:10
Yeah, it’s one of them.

Boomer Anderson 4:13
But today, we’re gonna talk a little bit about something different. I want to kind of go into you go into depth with you about something that I know you’re passionate about involved in quite a bit. Cognitive enhancement, and specifically would like to talk about this wonderful world of nootropics. Now, you’re directly involved in and I just have to understand like, how does one How did you come to the whole world of nootropics in the first place?

Dr. Scott Sherr 4:47
Well, I think like most kids in college, you want to feel like you can actually concentrate so went to UCLA in Los Angeles. There’s

Boomer Anderson 5:03
plenty of distraction. And now

Dr. Scott Sherr 5:04
there’s plenty of distractions in Los Angeles. And I didn’t drink any coffee at all before I went to college. And that was my first nootropic. Right? My first nootropic was coffee, and sometimes a lot of it, and I even had sugar in my coffee. I did soy milk in my coffee. I mean, this is like funny stuff. Now thinking back at what I did, but it was do you have

Boomer Anderson 5:26
like a total Do you have forever? Remember, like, what peak coffee was for you?

Dr. Scott Sherr 5:30
What peak coffee?

Boomer Anderson 5:32
Like? Yeah, so like, maximum number of cups.

Dr. Scott Sherr 5:35
I was never a huge, huge coffee drinker, I would say like maximum for me was probably this didn’t come into medical school until later, was probably about three, I would say. But I usually over the years developed a very large coffee drinking habit in the morning. So my first coffee was not a small coffee. So I don’t mean by large size My first coffee was large. I used to mess around with espresso back in medical school. But I really didn’t explore anything outside of caffeine. Until I learned more about nootropics. In general, actually, after the work, I was doing hyperbaric medicine. hyperbaric therapy, which is one of the fields that I work in is a nootropic. In itself, it can help with cognitive enhancement optimization, it helps with blood flow, so you can think better in the chamber. And then I had some interesting conversations with people like Mr. Dave Asprey, and others back in 2013. We’ll say I want to use this as a nootropic. I’m like, what’s a nootropic? I didn’t know what a nootropic was in 2013. And so I met Dave, actually. And it’s like, oh, and he told me all about the work that he was doing. This is when he just had the bulletproof coffee. I think it was before his first book. And it was during that time that I started understanding that there was these other compounds that you could use To help stimulate your brain to function better, and it works really well within my life at the time understanding that these existed because I was going on like having three kids at that point. Now I’m on number four. And I’m done after that, by the way, no more. I have three girls and a boy. Everybody’s less than nine years old in my house at the moment. Wow. Yeah, having the ability to have a brain that functions not only for the work I do, but also for the family that I have was very important to me. So I started exploring some additional nootropics. I started with some of the attempts that I thought those were interesting. I liked them. I didn’t like them that much. Because sometimes they make me feel a little bit too jittery. I started then exploring nicotine itself, which I really did like, because I liked how it kind of gave me a little burst of cognitive enhancement a little bit, a little bit of a cognitive boost. I spoke better. I thought better Better at thinking laterally as well. So I started working with with nicotine a little bit. And then it was from there that I, I didn’t do too much exploring some of the nootropic formulas out there. But I did some. And because I really felt that I was doing well, I was I was focusing on my, my cellular foundation doing the work and health optimization medicine that you’re aware of, as well. But we’re in and making sure that I had the ability to harness energy. Well, at the cellular level, I was getting into the chamber, which was helping my cognitive capacity doing exercise, which is a great nootropic in itself. And so I did think about, you know, combinations of nootropics up until relatively recently, and I you could stack things together in a way that could optimize you know, cognitive performance, and it wasn’t until about two years ago when I met Dr. Ted Achacoso. when he is the, I think the consummate stacker of bio hacks in a very physiologic and in a very, I think reasonable way. He’s He’s a physician like I am. And so he was able to look at pharmacology and say, how can you stack pharmacology, micro dosing certain compounds or precision dosing certain compounds to bring it together in a safe way, where you could see the potential benefits of larger doses of certain of these types of compounds in a smaller dose synergistic formula. And so that that’s when Blue Cannatine came about, at first as a gum and then as a truckie, which is this sublingual, that’s a label so it’s a beautiful trophy, so it stays in your mouth and stays in one location. So that was my that was my process, I think and then now I use that and I fucking love it. And that’s, that’s my usual nootropic but I still just sometimes you can use nicotine on its own as well. And of course, you know, caffeine now I cycle I don’t always have caffeine. But I like it when I have it and I try to use it as more of a nootropic rather than as a as a daily crutch.

Boomer Anderson 10:07
So let’s before we jump into Blue Cannatine, which I definitely want to spend some time on two questions for you first foundationally before somebody jumps into all that is a nootropic. What are shooting before they jump in and start taking nootropics? What should they be doing first? What should they be doing right first? Because I think there’s a lot of people out there and I was guilty of this back when Dave Asprey was hosting the rest of town and like you used to be able to buy interaural camera in the store, right? And I shipped it over to Singapore, but I wasn’t really sleeping very much. What should we foundationally have stacked in place before we start looking for cognitive enhancement?

Dr. Scott Sherr 10:58
Yeah, thanks for the question. It’s really important because the way this company developed transcriptions the company that makes Blue Cannatine was through a health focus lens. That health focus lens is called health optimization medicine, and it’s a nonprofit company, of which I’m the Chief Operating Officer here in the States, and it’s part of my concierges wellness practice. I truly feel the foundational wellness perspective is most important to start off with, if you don’t have the ability to make energy effectively at the cellular level. If you don’t have the right vitamins, minerals, nutrients, if you’re toxic, if you’re inflamed, if your gut has overgrowth, if it’s got pathogens in it, that are causing leaky gut, and other aspects that deregulate your biology, giving nootropics or really trying any supplement without having some of this in context, may make things worse, or at the very least least make you feel better for a short period of time, but then make you feel worse afterwards. And I’m guilty of this as well. You know when I in the past when I was in residency and when I was working really hard and I wasn’t sleeping just like you Boomer, you know, trying things like extra caffeine, or nicotine or whatever to help me, it would help me for like a minute, but then after that I would feel terrible. And the attack or the asset of the of the rest of teams in general, same thing, they would help me initially but then I would feel terrible. I haven’t tried them lately as I’ve been more health optimized to like I needed them. But I do feel like if I would try them now it’d be much better than I did earlier because my biology, my physiology, my cellular health wasn’t as good as it is now. Where I focused on precision dosing supplements to help me focus on my health and my cellular health, my gut health, my immune health, avoiding foods that I know that can inflame me, you know, practicing various practices like meditation and sunlight exposure and grounding to help me sleeping better, although I’m not always great at that I do my best with everything going on. But you know, I’m not perfect, I’m by no means perfect, but what I try to do is focus on that foundational health on myself, and then with the clients that I that I work with. And then also that’s the focus of troscriptions, which is we are here as a bottleneck for your path or along your path to foundational health or optimal health, cognitive function, and going forward, you know, sleep pain and other ways to help you function at a higher capacity. But if you’re not focusing on some of that, that foundational work, that’s cellular work, you may find that these things help you but they don’t help you as much or you don’t, or a couple days you don’t feel as good. It’s because you don’t have that baseline health that’s going to sustain you.

Boomer Anderson 13:51
Second question before we dive in caffeine cycling, how do you look at that for yourself and for other people that Maybe interested in

Dr. Scott Sherr 14:01
well caffeine to drug and caffeine, if you have a lot of it, you build up tolerance to it. And at some point, especially that tolerance can get to the point where you just don’t have any real caffeine effectively no stimulation effect. I mean, I was getting to the point about a year ago where I could have a cup of coffee at dinner, a regular cup of coffee and go to bed Three hours later, right? So that’s, so you basically your, your receptors are so tolerant to caffeine, that there’s no use to having it. So can having caffeine Cycling is helpful because it gives you that ability to, to prune, not prune to, to virginize, your receptors. So when you verginize your receptors, you prune them to some degree, so there won’t be as many on the synaptic cleft, right. So then, as a result of that, there’s less places for it to be taken up. But as a result of the stimulus, you’re going to have more that can can actually work So it’s sort of this version of receptors that helps with everything. It’s not just caffeine but caffeine is a really important one that’s the same thing with with a lot of different nootropics right if you know these things you want to cycle over time and come in and on and off of so that you don’t build up tolerance to and then of course, when there’s with tolerance therapy, there also comes withdraw. And you know, caffeine withdrawal, as many of us know, it’s not going to kill you, but it’s not fun, right? So So being able to do this in a cycling way can help you with withdrawal and tolerance aspects as well and and help with the effect of caffeine which is a fantastically trumped

Boomer Anderson 15:40
typical when you cycle off that four to six weeks or how long any particular time period,

Dr. Scott Sherr 15:46
for me, it depends a lot of factors. But I think in general, what I recommend is somewhere around there, four to six weeks off, four to six weeks on or even just weekly on and off is fine too. I like to think about cats. Now as a nootropic is more as something that I have to have every day. So I think about it, people love their coffee and I completely resonate with that. I’ll even I’ll have decaf coffees most mornings just because it’s hot and it tastes like coffee. And then I can stack things inside of my coffee, right? So but it’s not caffeine it’s doing that it’s you know, it’s the coconut milk or it’s the elfine or it’s the whatever else I’m going to put in my coffee that day my mushroom formulas or whatever. So I use it as a delivery or a delivery device and not so much for the caffeine itself all the time. But then I go cycles and I say okay, caffeine today, or caffeine tomorrow, and I’ve realized over time for me. I don’t technically need caffeine in the morning. I need caffeine if I’m going to have it in the afternoon when I get you know sometimes in the afternoon we get that sort of low. So anyway, I for everybody, it’s different, but I like also for the hormonal effects of caffeine to which is important. You know, caffeine does, you know, deplete you in neurotransmitters as well. So it’s important to replete those. We like to test them of course, if we can to see what you need or where you’re depleted in. But it’s an important one as well. It also can decrease your melatonin production and other things as well. So

Boomer Anderson 17:13
so we know we’re going to call this episode virginising receptors, but let’s let’s let’s go into Blue Cannatine because I’ve tried it a lot and love it. We’ve covered caffeine quite extensively already. And so just, we’ve had both yourself and Dr. Ted on the show before to recap the ingredients methylene blue caffeine, have crystals, and then also methylene blue coffee and crystals. And what’s the last one that I’m missing? So nicotine

Dr. Scott Sherr 17:52
makes it Yes, yeah, of course.

Boomer Anderson 17:54
And so let’s go through kind of each of these just in terms of maybe we can talk a little bit of dosing but I would love to talk specifically. Let’s talk about methylene blue for sure. That’s an eating. Yeah, exactly. Look there is

Dr. Scott Sherr 18:11
Yeah, I don’t know if you have this

Boomer Anderson 18:13
video we do have a video and the video will be released guys. And so that would be half Smurf mode for the lever technical. Okay, so do you have a preference on half Smurf mode versus full Smurf mode?

Dr. Scott Sherr 18:27
So technically, the right way to use methalyne blue is in half Smurf mode. Because Okay, you kept it on the same side of your mouth for the entire time that you had it dissolving. Now, we don’t discourage false work. or other types of Smurf subtle Smurf, etc. I do discourage teeth Smurf. You know the teeth Smurf doesn’t look all that great if you have

Boomer Anderson 18:52
Yeah, so that would be the champion on the job section. So yeah,

Dr. Scott Sherr 18:55
no chopping. No braces, no Invisalign, please. We’ve worked learn the hard way to tell people that you don’t want to use a visual if you haven’t designed it I use methylene blue. It is a stain. Okay, it is a dye.

We can talk about anything blue first. I think it’s

Boomer Anderson 19:11
Yeah, let’s let’s dive into methylene blue because you’ve heard of it like aquariums even but like ion is methylene blue benefit a human being.

Dr. Scott Sherr 19:21
So the I mean, the history of methylene blue is super, super interesting. It’s the first drug that was actually registered with the FDA. And I think the year was like 1897. So a long time ago, and methelyne blue got a lot of different properties. It has antifungal properties. It has antibacterial properties. It was a treatment from from malaria, actually. So it’s got anti parasitic properties. We think it has antiviral properties, especially with combinations of various types of light at least. And before antibiotics, you get methylene blue for urinary tract infection before antifungals and anti parasitic, you’re getting methylene blue for anti fun for fungal infections and for malaria. It was also noted to be a mild anti depressant, because it had what’s called Ma Li properties, which mono amine oxidase inhibitors inhibition properties. So this is a type of these are types of pathways that are involved in what we think is depression, depression itself. And so, it was used in psychiatry, not only for that component, but it was also a way for, for clinicians to make sure that their patients were taking the drugs, because if they added methylene blue to another drug, it would make their urine blue. So as a result of that they could test and see whether people were taking the drugs or not. So a beneficial side effect, I don’t know. But it’s a side effect nonetheless. of blue urine. So if you have methyllene blue, if you ingest it, the higher the dose, the more blue you’re going to have of your urine. A higher, very high dose is going to turn your, your shit blue to know blue Smurf shits is what people like.

Boomer Anderson 21:13
So that’s a that’s a pretty high dose, right? That’s a very high dose.

Dr. Scott Sherr 21:16
Yeah. For Smurf shots. It’s a high dose, very high dose. Yeah. So definitely blue. What’s actually happening is very interesting. It has lots of different properties. But in its essence, it is its ability to actually allow yourselves to make energy. It acts like oxygen at the cellular level. So on the electron transport chain, you have electrons that are shooting through it, and that are usually being captured by oxygen, so that are being received by oxygen. And in this way, you can make energy those electrons being transduced from the inside of the mitochondria to the outside. They basically make an engine work that produces ATP, or the currency of energy in our session. Oxygen is the final electron receptor methylene blue can do the same thing. And so it’s used clinically, in medical in the medical field now for something called methyl hemoglobin anemia, which also can happen in carbon monoxide poisoning, where you have this ability inability to use oxygen is being tied to the hemoglobin molecules in some way. But you can use methylene blue as a curative because it allows you to still maintain your production of energy. Even if oxygen is not available at the most or at the significant quantities at the same time as it being an oxygen replacer or something that can enhance oxygens effect by producing more the ability to accept electrons. It also has antioxidant properties and actually can donate electrons at the same time. Very interestingly, we also think that light itself can activate methylene blue Make it work better. We think UVC lights specifically, but also probably other wavelengths of light as well.

Boomer Anderson 23:08
Yeah, so UVC is interesting. And I want to double click on that, but this is infrared. Also, because we’ve got some some friends in the space that are playing around with it and infrared. What do we know about light and methylene? Blue?

Dr. Scott Sherr 23:24
So we don’t know what spectrums are best so far. But we do know at least about UVC. Their UVC light has been known for many years to be antiviral. And so there are some studies that have been published on various viruses like like Coronavirus, and others, where if you irradiate the blood with UVC and definitely blue, you can see significant antiviral properties. Those doses of methylene blue are higher than what’s in blue carnitine

Boomer Anderson 23:54
what’s what’s the dose that they talk about?

Dr. Scott Sherr 23:57
Not exactly clear.

At this point, so that’s something that we’re exploring as a company to think about, you know, what, you know, what products? You know, we could could we make available. But right now, we make no claims at all the blue Canada has any anti viral products, because it has a small dose of nothing, but it’s five milligrams. And that’s, we think that the doses, I mean, most of these studies have been done outside of the body. So in in vitro, not in vivo. So it’s difficult to kind of approximate, you know, but it but we’re looking into this for sure. But from a life perspective, we know for sure, UVC, but we don’t know about red light, we don’t know about, you know, about regular spectrum light, you know, sort of, we don’t know about, you know, the higher spectrums, either at this point. So this is something that needs to be explored, we don’t know. But there is definitely some significant interest in how light how it actually may and the doctor, the Dr. JACK Cruz guys and Dr. JACK Cruz talks about this a little bit to how there may be some capabilities methylene blue to protect ourselves from badly as well, which I don’t quite understand yet. But that’s another one that I’m very interested in exploring. So we think definitely blue is neuroprotective. From the antioxidant capabilities, we think it’s energy producing, because of its ability to accept electrons. And we think it might work in combination with light and maybe other things to have other antiviral, antifungal antibacterial qualities that are not being used very much in in medical in the medical world right now, but have been in the past.

Boomer Anderson 25:34
I have a family history with Alzheimer’s and things and one of the neuro protective benefits or at least I would love to hear your thoughts on methylene blue potentially for early onset Alzheimer’s, obviously not making any claims but I know there’s been some papers out there. Let’s interrupt your regularly scheduled program to talk about one of those foundations for cognitive enhancement, sleep and for me There are a few essentials in that whole sleep equation. One is putting down the laptop before I go to bed. Usually about an hour before is best, putting down the phone. Equally important, but also blocking blue light. And one of the tricks that is up my sleeve especially during the summer in Europe where sun is out until very very late. Our blue light blockers my favorite you guys know it and he’s been on the show before is any man’s blue blocks. Head on over to that’s And use the code DS15 for 15% off your order. Back to my conversation with Scott Sherr.

Dr. Scott Sherr 26:49
Yeah, super intriguing stuff. And I think again, it has to do with the ability to maintain energy production. Because as we get older our mic mitochondria also deteriorate. rate. And these are our batteries are powerhouses as they’re called. And if they’re not working though those cells are going to deteriorate and degenerate. And the most common places that they happen are really deep inside the brain and the frontal lobe, and so that senile dementia is the frontal lobe, right, where you don’t remember what your keys are what you have for breakfast, but do you remember what you did 50 years ago on the beach in Singapore, right or something. So you have this ability to remember those things from the long term, but in the short term, the short term storage stuff goes and so we think that methylene blue is just allowing maintenance of energy production. And the, the, the dosing for that is very interesting. It looks like somewhere around 16 milligrams of a, an activated forum or not an activated form but a little bit of a different form of methylene blue. So actually, I’m sorry, that activated form is actually the dose looks to be about eight milligrams and then he activated forum look To be somewhere maybe about double that double that and what I mean by it activated I just means it has to be activated in the body versus it being telling in the activated form itself as you’re ingesting.

Boomer Anderson 28:11
So what are the common ways that so other than blue canteen ingesting methylene blue now do people just buy it online? Like that seems a little bit dangerous to me. Right? Well, what’s the easiest way for people to get ahold of it

Dr. Scott Sherr 28:25
while you’re listening to this before you could get fishtank cleaner but that’s not pharmaceutical grade right? So fish that cleaner does have methylene blue in it. A lot of laboratory bed bench work uses methylene blue is a stain. It’s difficult to find pharmaceutical grade methylene blue, and we went to the ends of the earth to find pharmaceutical grade methylene blue for this product. Because we didn’t want any impurities. We wanted the potency to be exactly as we set it to be. This goes back to what I said about Dr. Ted and learning about this formula that we have a precision dosed pharmaceutical grade product that has certificates of analysis for every single ingredient. It’s difficult to find pharmaceutical grade methylene blue. It’s just plain and simple. And then if it doesn’t have that pharmaceutical grade, it’s possible that it has impurities, like heavy metals, or molds and other things. And so it’s difficult for me to recommend any specific place to get it honestly, because we looked, and it’s difficult to find, but if you feel comfortable, it comes in various ways. It comes in liquid form. It comes in capsule form, although that’s not common yet, but it’s going yeah. And then it also comes in IV IV forms, which is very interesting.

Boomer Anderson 29:41
Interesting. Ooh, IV form methylene blue coming to your biohacking clinic near you. Yeah, they’re good for cancer actually.

Dr. Scott Sherr 29:49
Interesting. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson 29:52
So just to sum up for people methylene blue, if you were to take it by yourself, what kind of benefits do you think people could expect from it?

Dr. Scott Sherr 30:00
Well, it’s an energy producer, right? It helps make ATP at the cellular level, it tends to concentrate both in your brain and in your heart. So think about ways that you can capitalize on your body’s ability to produce more energy in your brain in your heart. And that’s where methylene blue seems to have the biggest effect

Boomer Anderson 30:21
missing. I want to dispel some rumors on nicotine because we have a lot of people who have been drilled by the Philip Morris lawsuits of the world that nicotine is evil must be punished and will if you touch it, you’re going now kind of thing. Let’s let’s talk about nicotine. First things first is nicotine and decode addictive. So

Dr. Scott Sherr 30:46
yes, nicotine is absolutely addictive. However, the delivery of nicotine will basically tell you how addictive it’s going to be. If you smoke or vape nicotine, it’s going to be much more addictive, because it hits your bloodstream very fast. As soon as you breathe in the nicotine, whether you smoke it or you vaping it gets into your red blood cells into your circulation very, very fast. And all of a sudden, you get a quick hit of nicotine either way. In addition to smoking, you’re not just smoking nicotine, you’re not just vaping nicotine, you’re also smoking and vaping other products that enhance the addictive qualities of both nicotine vapor smoked, and this has been very well studied. And we think it’s some of these additional products that are inside cigarettes are inside vaping products very similar, actually some of the flavorings and others that are inside the vaping products that are actually making the nicotine as addictive as it is. There’s some pretty good studies to show this. So when you’re not vaping or smoking nicotine, especially if you’re not using it with the additional products that are inside of a cigarette or vaping the ability to get addicted to nicotine Nicotine is absolutely still possible, but it’s not as easy to do. Now people worry about you know, chewing chewing tobacco for example, or dipping again that’s just not nicotine that’s the other products that are inside of nicotine is or within nicotine as well. What we’ve done in Blue canatine and what you can get for as a nicotine replacement is straight nicotine, okay, the nicotine we use in in blue cannatine is it synthetically derived it’s not from tobacco. And that’s important as well. Not so much from it from a from an addictive perspective, but just from a clean perspective. We have a clean product here. The nicotine is also pharmaceutical grade which is important and when you are using it in a way that we’re we’ve developed it in a slow release lozenge Buechel lozenge, you’re getting Adding the effect of nicotine that’s rising over 15 to 30 minutes, and not instantly. So as a result of that you have a much lower chance of getting any addictive qualities to nicotine because of that slow release formula. So the faster you get hit with nicotine, the faster you feel it, the higher the addictive quality, no doubt about it. So I always say I don’t think anybody should be smoking or vaping anything because of how fast it hits you. There are some there are some exceptions to that rule, especially if you have a lot of pain or a lot of discomfort. There are ways to get quick acting so that’s good, but in general nicotine it is going to be addicting no matter what formula you have, but it drops down exponentially the addictive qualities as you stop making vaping and smoking.

Boomer Anderson 33:50
Nicotine one of the people you and I have had coffee with before I claim that you had to train yourself to have the nicotine tene hit faster. Do you believe that? Like as in, let’s say, I have the Nicorette spray here because I live in Europe. And do I need to start training myself? Is there an onboarding period to notice the effects of nicotine?

Dr. Scott Sherr 34:14
I mean, there’s always the question of priming receptors, right in the sense of E prime receptors. It’s sort of like the double effect kind of deal, right? Where you have a little bit and you have more, there is some logic to that. I haven’t seen that specifically for nicotine, and then nicotinic receptors, and how that has an effect on the neurotransmitters that are released as a result of the acetylcholine that is stimulated from the nicotinic receptors. But it’s possible. It’s something that I haven’t explored myself, but I said I would definitely encourage people to think about it and do some research on their own, and to see if that does have a significant effect. I mean, myself. Personally, I haven’t noticed the that particular effect. I’ve been Notice it being best used in short bursts nicotine for very like for like a 30 minute or an hour period of time is it’s pretty short acting. So what I like about, you know, the formula that we’ve developed is that allows it to be more longer acting as we’ve given other some other ingredients in there that sort of rounded out with hemp crystals via typically derived, as we say, and, and even having the methylene blue in there and helping sort of maintain energy function or energy capacity over a longer period of time, but it’s a good it’s definitely interesting. I’m definitely I definitely think it’s worth exploring.

Boomer Anderson 35:36
So let’s go into nicotine specifically and how it acts because we’ve talked about why it may or may not be addictive, in certain cases, but let’s talk about how it acts and kind of the benefits that you mentioned because you’ve got an issue of acetylcholine, right? Yeah. So let’s let’s go into that a little bit more.

Dr. Scott Sherr 35:53
Yeah, so nicotine is a fantastic nootropic and it’s actually been studied on its own for Alzheimer’s. disease and for mild cognitive delay, or mild cognitive impairment or I should say not mild cognitive delay that’s in kids hasn’t been studied in case no nicotine is a is a drug in the US over 21 years. But anyway, we know it’s a nootropic. And it’s been studied in academic literature in this capacity and the reason is that it works on many neurotransmitters all at the same time through its effect on cola nergic receptors specifically. And as a result of producing more acetylcholine, you get more new returns transmitters released you get more dopamine or norepinephrine and more effort effort. And as a result of that, you see this stimulatory effect and your brain is just functioning better you have your revving up your ability to make energy. So again, this is important why we talked about why you need to be able to make energy efficiently but wrapping up the ability of your brain to have more energetic potential. Or energetic currency, it’s also going to constrict blood vessels down a little bit. It’s a stimulant. That’s what Austin humans do. So it’s important to know what your risks risks are for that, if you have any cardiac history, if you have any pulmonary history, these are reasons why you may want to be considering maybe not having nicotine, but in general is a very safe drug. If you have a history of, of any neurocognitive issues, you know, history of strokes or seizures or things like that, you need to make sure that you kind of aware of what your doses are of these things where if you should take them low dose, it’s actually very safe. In almost all of those categories. It doesn’t mean you should think about and talk to your doctor about before you use it. But nicotine has also this ability. With interesting not only does it vasoconstriction it seems to dilate blood vessels in our brain that are very specific to thinking and cognitive capacity, which is kind of paradoxical in my in my initial, yeah. You know, because you wouldn’t think that we’d have the ability to do both, and I’m not exactly sure how Does that. But in the thinking areas of our brain, the hypothalamus, the thalamus, the hippocampus, those areas, there tends to be even some days of dilation, which is very interesting.

Boomer Anderson 38:12
Huh? So, all right, so we have nicotine is potentially a cognitive enhancer, so to speak. But one of the things, talk, let’s talk a little bit more on that. Let’s go into CBD now. Unless Do you think there’s what am I leaving out of the picture on nicotine right now?

Dr. Scott Sherr 38:33
I think what’s important, I think what’s important, we’ve mostly covered I think the idea that nicotine can be used as a nootropic. And it’s not scary if it’s not smoked or vaped. And used in a precision way is a novel one for a lot of people. Not in the biohacker space, but outside of that. I think it’s very A novel idea. I think what’s important to know is that there are risks for it, but they’re mild, and you can screen yourself out of those very quickly. But the benefits can be dramatic. I think what’s interesting about it for me is verbal fluidity I find with nicotine. So like, I just had nicotine by itself, like, my brain is just, I’m just saying words and things are happening. And I am not stumbling. I’m not saying that. I’m on fire. Right.

Boomer Anderson 39:27

Dr. Scott Sherr 39:28
yeah. So it’s got this really amazing ability to do that. And so I think you’ve covered most of it. I think, you know, from a from a physiologic perspective, I think we’ve covered most of it.

Boomer Anderson 39:37
Let’s talk a little bit about you mentioned small versus large dose with nicotine. Is there a concrete sort of maybe justification on what constitutes small versus large dose and I think it’s worth clarifying for people just how much nicotine is in Blue cannatine.

Dr. Scott Sherr 39:56
So there’s one milligram of blue cannatine and one milligram of Nick is a very low dose compared to a cigarette, for example that has 12 milligrams of tobacco derived nicotine. Now, how much of that nicotine Are you getting somewhere between three and five milligrams, maybe up to six milligrams of nicotine per cigarette. So it’s a much lower dose. Most nicotine replacement is upwards about four milligrams or two milligrams per piece of gum. Everybody’s dose is going to be a little bit different. You know, my dose is one milligram. Typically, some are to Dr. Ted is a half he’s he’s sensitive. He’s a sensitive guy.

Boomer Anderson 40:36
Yeah, I’m one so

Dr. Scott Sherr 40:39
and so for everybody. It’s gonna be different. It also depends on how much of it you’re using. If you’re using a lot more of it, you will create tolerance to it. Now this secondary effect where you have a little bit then have more. I’m not sure what that would look like for that you can everybody can experiment, but I find for most people, like one to two milligrams is their typical dose for for nicotine. dealt with cognitive enhancement.

Boomer Anderson 41:03
And you mentioned verbal fluidity. Right. And so verbal fluidity being one of the things that I absolutely love from Blue Cannatine. Is that generally from nicotine or is it just the come? I mean, I guess it is the combination the ingredients as

Dr. Scott Sherr 41:18
well. Yeah, it’s hard to say you know what is the most important I would say that nicotine likely is in my field. If I had to make an educated guess I would say that nicotine is probably the one that’s doing it the most. But I would say that what’s nice about the formula having the hemp crystals via typically derived the CBD is that it rounds it out so that nicotine can sometimes feel edgy, like you have almost you know, too much stimulus stimuli or like too stimulated and sometimes as a result of that it can have a detriment to your vocal fluidity, your ability to think and to think more laterally. What’s nice about having the CBD or the hemp crystals be typically derived is that it rounds it out. So you feel this, this, this lift, but you also feel it in a more sort of expansive, and I think slow release way where you don’t feel like all of a sudden, you just have so much in your mind, you can think in your focus and let you know, you’re more like, this is how I think this is how I speak, this is how I feel when you can get those words to come out of your mouth, and they just kind of come and then you can think laterally to so that you’re not just, you know, so hyper focus that you can, you know, get out of the tunnel. And I think sometimes with nicotine, that does happen to me too. So that’s that’s what I think is happening in this formula versus just thinking.

Boomer Anderson 42:39
And so the ham crystals, do they serve predominantly, is that rounding off? Or they also you mentioned something of an extension of the nicotine. How does that?

Dr. Scott Sherr 42:49
Yeah, yeah, it’s a good question. Yeah, I think it definitely rounds it off. So you don’t have this initial burst. You have this more rounding of, of the, the onset of action which I think is really important for what we’re doing. Because it gives you this, this rise up. And then also when you when you’re done with your limitless ride with bootcamp kind of team on the on the other side of it, you don’t feel this come down, you don’t feel this withdrawal effect. I think a lot of that has to do with CBD. I also think, you know, CBD and or hemp crystals via typically derived is is also neuroprotective. It also has antioxidant capability. So I think it’s protecting you, at the same time as you have all these neurotransmitters being released and stimulated with nicotine and caffeine on board. So I think part of it is this neuroprotective effect. Now as far as extending it, I think it’s just because you have this extension related to the CBD. B CBD being on board. And as a result of that, you just have this extension of this ability to sort of maintain that it’s, I’m not exactly sure what’s happening physiology physiologically yet. I think what we’re gonna see though, as we do more testing of this Boomer, like from a from a neurological perspective, when we do we G’s on people. And we look at their default mode networks and we look at their their Central Executive networks which is our ad network that allows us to get shit done. Our dmn or default mode network is our story on who we are doing and the stories we tell ourselves every day I think we’re going to see is that we have the dmn go down and the Central Executive network kind of wrap itself up so that you’re able to do this but you still have some more lateral thinking capabilities so that we have to do some more testing which has been on hold given you know, locked down but hopefully soon

Boomer Anderson 44:30
can’t lock myself on an eg right now, or get myself on an eg drug interactions in Blue Cannatine anything that people should be aware of.

Dr. Scott Sherr 44:40
So the biggest ones to consider are if you’re taking an antidepressant that has SSRI components to it, whether it be an SSRI directly, or if it’s a drug that has a combination, the combination with that and also the methylene blue there, it may cause although our dosing is extremely low, and it’s extremely unlikely there’s a risk of something called serotonin syndrome, which we don’t want you to get. That’s why our dosing doesn’t allow for more than four turkeys in a day. As long as you stay below four turkeys you really are safe. But if you’re taking any of those medications I would highly recommend to you that you decide. Either you decide not to take blue cat a teen or you talk to your doctor before taking it. Other things to consider if you’re stimulating your body if you have stimulants on board. This is not like it’s amphetamines or anything crazy. But like we’re talking stimulants like caffeine and nicotine, you want to make sure that your body is is healthy enough for signaling. So you have your heart functioning is okay. That your brain function is okay. In the sense that you don’t have uncontrolled you know, seizure disorders or if you have cardiac issues like previous heart attacks or, or cardiomyopathy. These are also in combination with illegal drugs like alcohol and cocaine and, you know, other fetta means you don’t want to do any of that stuff. Like it’s not a good idea. So Other than those, we have a list on our website of things to consider with each of the ingredients. But in general, it’s a very safe, safe formula that we all that we think almost everybody can benefit from. A couple other people I should I should just mention know pregnant women. So if you’re pregnant, please know, if you’re breastfeeding, we’ve gotten a couple questions about that. Please know, if you are less than 21 years of age in the US, nicotine is not available to you. So fortunately, you cannot have this product as well. We also recommend that you know, whatever, you know, drugs that you’re taking, whether they prove if they’re a prescription, or non prescription, that you you consult with your your your medical provider. I guess what I’m thinking about is some people that are involved in the psychedelic space specifically, there is one specifically like the ayhuasca the DMT derivatives that have an noi inside of them. As a part of the part of the part of the the cocktail part of the drink, so we don’t recommend if you’re trying any of that stuff to combine it with blue canteen as a result of having MLM properties. So I can’t recommend having any of that stuff anyway, because it’s all illegal but

Boomer Anderson 47:18
understood. Dr. Scott, I want to transition now to the final three questions, because these are new since the last time you’re on the show. Yeah, what’s it What is your What is it? What excites you most about the health world right now?

Dr. Scott Sherr 47:37
I think what excites me most is that there’s now more urgency for people because of what’s happening during the pandemic. People freely are like, Oh shit, I need to get healthy. Yeah, or I don’t want to be sick. And that is a fantastic opportunity for many of us in this world. to really develop something that can change how people approach their health. And I’m really excited about that. I’m excited for the work that we’re doing in health optimization medicine specifically for this reason, because now we can say, let’s focus on your health. Let’s focus on your foundation. Let’s, let’s look at yourselves, let’s look at your gut. Let’s look at your immune system. Let’s optimize all that. So when the next pandemic happens, which is possible, or the next healthcare happens, which is going to happen, whatever it might be, you have an immune system and a cellular Foundation, that’s four to five. And now, it’s not just about putting out fires, I hope I hope it’s more about making that shift towards health and making that shift towards focusing on our health. And I am excited about that. I am truly excited about that shift.

Boomer Anderson 48:54
book that has changed your life.

Dr. Scott Sherr 48:58
Which book has changed my life Life the most. There’s so many books that I’ve enjoyed, although none all that recently because I’ve been very busy with keeping myself healthy, especially in the endemic times. I would say that the book that I’ve enjoyed the most in the last year is a book that our fellow colleague Dr. Ted recommended to me, called stalking the wild pendulum. And I may have mentioned this last time we spoke I don’t remember I think so. Yeah, it is. It still resonates to me and I go back to it so often. And the other book that I go to often, and maybe I didn’t speak about it last time is called allusions and the adventures of a reluctant Messiah. That’s a book that I try to read every every month these days. And the idea is that we all have inside of us everything that we need. And there’s nobody that you need to look to to be your Messiah. It’s all inside of us. And Going back to that book and reminding myself that the external world is just a reflection of your internal world is is very, I think helpful for all of us in these times and and that’s something that I’ve gone back to time and time again. And in this timeframe, pandemic times, you know, I continue to come back to

Boomer Anderson 50:25
and for those listening, it’s a pretty short book. It’s really, really good.

Dr. Scott Sherr 50:29
You can get it on youtube for free you can

Boomer Anderson 50:33
There you go. There you go on one more thing where can people find out more about blue Cannatine? Maybe try some if they want to get it? Where do they find out more about you?

Dr. Scott Sherr 50:44
So Blue Cannatine The best way is troscriptions on Instagram, so Troscriptions with a T R O to start off with instead of prescriptions, it’s troscriptions and we named it Troscription, T for troscriptions, excuse me, because that’s really What we think this is, this is a troscription for your health. And this is a precision dose pharmaceutical grade formula for optimizing your health and working on those bottlenecks that I’ve described. My personal Instagram is at Dr. Scott Sherr @drscottsherr. And the website is My other websites are probably not important today, you can just Google my name and find me on podcasts. And we can talk. Dr. Scott Sherr on Instagram is probably the place I’m most active

Boomer Anderson 51:32
and you’re posting more,

Dr. Scott Sherr 51:34
which I’m trying, I’m trying

to try to post pertinent information and and that’s, you know, that’s it’s challenging, you know, want to make sure that it’s relevant for people.

But yeah, those are the places you can find me most

Boomer Anderson 51:49
amazing. Dr. Scott, thank you for taking the time again. As always, such a pleasure, my friend.

Dr. Scott Sherr 51:55
Hi, thank you Boomer and I hope that you and I can see each other soon and No, we get at least fist bump, shake hands or maybe even hug. You’d be nice. Yeah,

Boomer Anderson 52:03
exactly. The elbow bump has become very popular these days. So

Dr. Scott Sherr 52:08
now it’s six feet away. I don’t know exactly.

Boomer Anderson 52:11
Maybe if your elbow

bumping is like Kareem Abdul Jabbar or something like that, but like Shut

Dr. Scott Sherr 52:15
up, right?

Boomer Anderson 52:17
Awesome. Thank you, my friend and to all the superhumans listening, have an epic day. Take care.

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