Virtual Vacation: Routines, Rest, and Randomness with Dasha Maximov and Mads Friis

Boomer Anderson
October 21, 2020
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I invited some of my closest friends, Dasha Maximov and Mads Friis, to join the show today. Dasha, Mads, and I play a game of drawing the question out of the hat amidst a fun conversation around biohacking, being happy, inner work, routines, and much more.

Who is Dasha Maximov?

Dasha Maximov, former-management consultant turned health explorer, found that the available information for addressing her chronic pain and depression from multiple concussions was limited and frustrating. Specialists across the globe offered reductionist approaches and outdated recommendations. Her last brain injury was, ironically, when she was doing her masters in neuroscience. Knowing about the brain and feeling the frustration of shrugged shoulders, led her on a path of health exploration to take control of her health and educate herself on alternative ways to heal her brain.

In 2019, after healing many of her immediate, chronic pains via natural hacks, Dasha turned to bring this information to others by organizing The Health Optimisation Summit, Europe’s largest alternative, and preventative health conference. Quickly she saw that a gap existed in the health world surrounding women-specific health topics.

To solve this, she created WhealthCo, an online global community focused on evidence-based science for women. The online forum bridges together doctors, researchers, healers, and ‘laywomen’ to focus specifically on knowledge sharing about women’s health issues. Each week the forum has guest doctors and researchers provide answers to members’ questions.

Dasha believes that health is best achieved when a person is informed about their options and that this is possible only through connecting together and learning from each other. A problem is solved much quicker when there are diverse perspectives looking at it from multiple angles.

Who is Mads Friis?

Mads Friis is the host of the Growth Island podcast which is focused on how to live a happy, healthy, and meaningful life. He is also a partner in the Venture/Startup studio/factory KRING where they utilize the knowledge from the podcast to build startups focused on health/biohacking. He has a background in Business and Psychology from Harvard and Copenhagen Business School.

When not nerding out on health-related aspects then he surfs, kitesurfs, skydives, or does other forms of movement.


[6:26] What does a cheat day look like for Dasha and Mads?

[13:05] Is Biohacking a cult?

[20:45] Best gadget purchased in 2020 for under $100

[28:42] What’s the line you would never cross for a better life?

[37:00] The things that your friends and family will never understand about biohacking

[1:07:30] What makes you really happy?



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Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Episode Transcript

Boomer Anderson: [00:00:00]Welcome to decoding superhuman. This show is a deep dive into obsessions withhealth performance, and how to elevate the human experience. I explore thelatest tools, science and technology with experts in various fields of humanoptimization. This is your host Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey.

All right. So we have a special edition of the podcasttoday. We're doing something a little bit different. And so just to kind oforient people, this is a three-way podcast, not to be confused with otherthings, but, we're going to jump into many different topics today. And thereason I I'll get into who.

Is on the show in a second, but the reason why I wanted tohave this type of podcast is because the two people that I'm staring at rightnow on video and I were supposed to be in Portugal about this week together.but due to unforeseen global pandemics, we couldn't make that happen. And sothis is a little bit of a virtual hangout.

I would have preferred to have done this over a fireplacenear a beach, but. We'll just call this sort of fireside chat if you will. Andso Mads, Dasha, welcome to the show.

Mads Friis: [00:01:32]Thank you, Boomer.

Boomer Anderson: [00:01:35]All right. So the audience doesn't know you guys yet. Well, maybe they do. andI don't want to make any assumptions.

And so rather than me recording an introduction to both ofyou before all of this, I want to kind of do a little dosey DOE in terms ofintroducing each other. And so. I don't know who wants to go first. And who doyou want to introduce?

Dasha Maximov: [00:01:57]I'll go first. so I would like to, to introduce everybody to Mads Friis, he isa biohacker as everybody on this podcast is going to be, he is a whirlwindadventurer, a kite surfer, a entrepreneur, as helped a number of differentcompanies get off the ground.

And, as somebody that I think both Boomer and I often go totoo. Pepper with questions about different business ideas, as well as differentbiohacking tips and tricks. he is based in Copenhagen, and is somebody that Ithink of as a, as Tigger, because he's always extremely, extremely positive.

Boomer Anderson: [00:02:35]always positive it's kind of annoying.

Alright, I'll go next. So Dasha Maximov. the Russian tycoonand, you know, let's see, introduce Dasha. How do I know Dasha? I know Dashathrough a number of different people, mutual friends, actually, there's onemutual friend. Who's connected us all and that's Scott. but Dasha Maximov,founder of whealth.community.

yeah. How do I describe you? you know, Entrepreneur lookingto really just open up doors that were not previously available or, or open,and discover, and really just disseminate information around women's health.And so Dasha is an entrepreneur. She's a very good friend, I think both Madsand I go to her for sometimes emotional support.

but also just to, you know, Share different ideas, etcetera. So, she's the best soundboard I know. And so Dasha, thank you for beinghere today.

Mads Friis: [00:03:44]So, thank you so much for listening in today. I take great pleasure ofintroducing Boomer Anderson. If you haven't heard about Boomer already, you'vebeen missing out.

Boomer has a really cool background in banking, so he knowssomething about businesses and so on. He then discovered and used all of histalents to get into health and help people with the high performance. Hedoesn't always call it health. But call it performance once in a while, buthe's actually really deep into health.

There's more legal issues. Why he tells him to Boomer isalso into nootropics and a lot about that. So he's my sounding board for whatto do for top mental performance. He ran his dare successful podcast. Decodingsuperhuman, the podcast you want to listen to when you want to learn somethingabout optimizing your performance.

So it's basically, if you haven't heard it before, thenthat's the one you need to subscribe to. Now it should be down. No, when you'relistening to this, so you can subscribe to this podcast. I would highlyrecommend that. And apart from that, then Boomer is a stand up guy. That isalways fun to talk to one.

When I talked to Boomer, it makes me happy. So that's one ofthe things I focus on people that have amazing energy and makes me smile andthat I can learn something, something from, so at Boomer, thank you so much forinviting me.

Boomer Anderson: [00:04:56]This has got to be fun guys. So, just to get layout the okay. And people willlay of the land of the podcast.

If you will, today is going to be a little bit differentsort of fireside chat. And I like to ask random questions. And so I have herenext to me, what is a baseball cap full of questions. And so today we're goingto play a little game. We're going to do something like the Harry Potter, sortinghat. Draw a question and then we'll volley it back and forth.

at any appropriate time, we may kill the question and moveon to the next one. Or we may just go down another wormhole because naturallywhen the three of us get together, it probably will go down a few wormholes. Soif it's okay with you guys, I'm going to draw one question out of the hat. Or Ican seed one.

What do you guys want? Should I go right to the hat? Orshould I go with my first question? What do you think? Hat. Okay. We're going toneed a drum roll. So Roy, Roy listening to this is going to give us a drumroll. Okay. So first question is . Oh, wow. This is a hell of a way to start.What does a cheat day look like for you?

And this is a health podcast, health optimization podcast, butin the interest of being completely open, transparent, and, you know, openingthe kimono, what is a cheat day for you guys?

Mads Friis: [00:06:19]Do you want a thought? Does,

Dasha Maximov: [00:06:21]So I have a sweet tooth, a big sweet tooth. I have been actually trying to, topull back from that.

So I think I'm on D. 60 or so my dad with a 75 hard thing,and really the only thing that's hit or has stuck is removing sugars. So, butit's very difficult. So probably I would just go nuts on all things, sugar,probably a brownie, probably, one of those little French custard things. andthen definitely some wine or some alcohol.

I think those ones big vice is probably the sugar on thealcohol. Yeah, I think that would be my, so

Boomer Anderson: [00:06:53]on the 75 hard thing I have to ask, like, did you notice, have you noticed anydifference since you've, you've been off of sugar for 60 days, so added sugar,presumably, have you noticed any sort of difference in your day to day?

Dasha Maximov: [00:07:06]Less cravings?

Honestly, the first couple of weeks, we're, we're reallybad. We're really annoying. it's just, it's such a habit. Right of, I have onepiece of chocolate a day, or I have something sweet at the end of the day atthe, and it's a reward, which is. And I think one of our mutual friends, Kiki,she always talks about disturbing the cup and comfort.

Right. And there's that element, I think as well, ofwhatever you're comfortable with, whatever is a habit. What if you take it? Andif you break it for a bit and see what happens. So I think for me, the. It'smore, the mental aspect of I'm conquering something that's uncomfortable. I dofrom a, from a women's health perspective, I have seen that my, any cramps oranything like that to do with ministration have completely ceased sugar hasbeen a really big one for, for that.

Boomer Anderson: [00:07:51]Beautiful Mads.

Do you go to Noma on your off days? Cause you live in a townwith a lot of really good restaurants.

Mads Friis: [00:07:58]We do have a lot of really good restaurants and actually haven't been to Normayet. Something I've been missing out on. Okay. So from me, so an annoyinganswer is kind of like, I don't see those cheat days.

I think the whole language that we use about, our health andso on is extremely important. so calling it a cheat day also tells you they'redoing something wrong, right? So I would say like some of those non-optimaldays in regards to food for me are the social ones. So many of my friendsalready thinks I'm a freak because I do so many of these biohacking things.

And also in regards to my, how I eat. But I would say like,if I'm out with some friends and so on and like what's available at arestaurant, it might not be what I think is optimal. It could be a lot of pestoor potatoes or something else. I will eat that. Or if I'm at a social gatheringwhere it's. Which is kind of appropriate to be a, so not be the special one,drawing too much attention there pre-sold that those are also some of the dayswhere I eat something else.

So it's basically depending on the social situation for me.

Boomer Anderson: [00:08:56]Okay. Yeah. So using the term free meal, we can use that. I can get my headaround that, but if I what's that

Mads Friis: [00:09:05]with just stuff that I think tastes really good or bad, then we were talkingback McFlurry for McDonald's. I got that.

Boomer Anderson: [00:09:13]You just went from like zero to one.

Dasha Maximov: [00:09:16]Really?

Boomer Anderson: [00:09:18]Wow.

Mads Friis: [00:09:21]Yeah. When I was young, I had an awful diet. so that would be one. And that wasactually a social setting. I've been out skydiving with a really good friendand it was some of our first jumps. So it was redefined and on the way home, hewanted to go pass McDonald's. and the time we did that, before that I was justlike, no, I'm good.

I'm not going to get anything this time. I took somethingtogether. We didn't, we were like slippery. And then we passed a few levels ofjumping out of a plane. So, so it's those kinds of situations where. Yeah. Withsomeone in this kind of celebration and then a McFlurry with time would be veryhigh on that.

Boomer Anderson: [00:09:50]Okay. So yeah, I mean, you nearly died. So you had to make for Larry, no spicychicken sandwich with the Oh, okay. Okay, cool. I guess it's my turn.

Dasha Maximov: [00:10:01]I was going to say that when we were walking around Amsterdam, you said no tothe one of those strip and waffles. So what's yours.

Boomer Anderson: [00:10:07]yeah. Strip waffles are amazing.

Right? in terms of just for the uninitiated, which I think90% of this podcast is listened to by Americans. So it's like. I don't know acookie with caramel in between. Yeah. I don't know. It's delicious, but what ismine? So the American abroad, what does the American abroad? He goes for thefricking cheeseburger, of course.

Right. so cheeseburger, glass of wine. That's pretty muchit. And. Sweet potato fries, of course, because God needs carbohydrates. No,I'm joking. anyways, I mean said, God, I need carbohydrates. okay. Any more toadd to the free meals that we're now calling

Dasha Maximov: [00:10:50]them. So all, all of our cheat days are all food based.

Yeah. Where else?

Boomer Anderson: [00:10:58]Oh, in terms of lives.

Dasha Maximov: [00:11:00]Yeah.

Boomer Anderson: [00:11:01]Ooh, that's a good one. I mean,

Mads, do you have anything that you do on your cheat, yourfree days? If you will,

Mads Friis: [00:11:11]sorry. Yeah, I would say alcohol, but that's also food related food andbeverages, right?

Boomer Anderson: [00:11:18]Yeah, I think for me, most of them are nutritional in that sense because okay.If I'm not exercising, I'm just resting. And so that's not really part of my,my quote, unquote.

Free day, if you will.

Dasha Maximov: [00:11:33]So I'm thinking, for example, some people will just have like Saturdays,Netflix and chill day don't do any, ah,

Boomer Anderson: [00:11:40]the potential to something else.

Mads Friis: [00:11:41]That's not a thing.

Dasha Maximov: [00:11:45]And Netflix binge watching them.

Boomer Anderson: [00:11:47]How about that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The ancho chill means something else. Ifyou're you're listening with teenagers, please meet. no.

Dasha Maximov: [00:11:55]So for you guys a Saturday, Netflix, binge. Yeah. Nutshell binge. is that inyour eyes a cheat day, or how do you guys think

Boomer Anderson: [00:12:03]about that? It's a good question.

I certainly do. And I have been known to embrace that sometimesin the past where you just need like a mental break, right? Like we all getthere. And frankly, I called both of you when it happens. and you just kind of,I'll either go through, talking to friends all day long, which is not a wasteof time by any means.

It's actually a great exercise, but it's not, it's take, I'mnot working. And, you know, sometimes I will find probably some mindless actionTV show that is embarrassing to admit that I watch and I will rip through it.If I need a mental break. Dash. How about you?

Dasha Maximov: [00:12:46]Gosh. Why am I admitting this? I want,

Boomer Anderson: [00:12:48]I watched gossip girl?

Dasha Maximov: [00:12:49]No, I will. I go on YouTube and I watch the trailers for movies. So I don'twatch the whole movie. I just watch a bunch of trailers.

Boomer Anderson: [00:12:59]This sounds more like a guilty pleasure.

Dasha Maximov: [00:13:01]I don't know. Anyway, we can move on from this question.

Boomer Anderson: [00:13:04]It's fine. Okay. So magic, magic hat. We're coming back to the magic hat.Alright.

This is what I thought would be. The first question isbiohacking a cult

Dasha Maximov: [00:13:19]Go mads.

Mads Friis: [00:13:21]Semi. So, so yes and no, I don't, well, I don't think it's a cold, thing. it'sa small community and from the outside, I can seem cultish when there's a smallcommunity. That's very strong and it's a group of people that believe that theycan make a difference for the health.

And for people around them. and they believe in the can takecontrol of the health a bit more than they might be told by the normal doctorsand so on. And that's why from the outside, it can be seen more as a cold.

Boomer Anderson: [00:13:54]Alright, I'll jump in. Alright. So let's look at characteristics of cults,right? So cults and you can think of Jonestown or a few others.

What do they have? They have charismatic leaders. They havecertain sets of rules. they have certain things that you have to buy into theone that I always think about a Scientology. but you, you can see patterns ofthat within the quote unquote biohacking world, right? So you have yourcharismatic leaders, some in the United States, some in Europe, various people,right?

you have a certain uniform. That you need to be wearing insome cases, or certain ways that you like to be perceived in order to be amember of the team. And then there's a certain buy-in. So you have to, you haveto, well, you don't have to, but it's suggested that you try certaintechnologies, you try various different things.

you get naked and go sunshine all over your body. That kindof thing. Those are all very cultish right now within the community. There arepeople that just follow that blindly and that's, that's okay. That's for them.but there are people that kind of look at these characters and say, that's agood idea, but let me, let me expand a little bit more on that.

Let me verify that information. So those are the types ofthe people in the community that I generally tend to hang around with and enjoyspending time with, because it's not. Trust blindly, which I, I believe thatthere is a fair amount of the community that does, it's trust, but verify. Andso there's a, there's a certain percentage of it that I do feel is verycultish.

And then there's other parts that I think are very much intothe exploration and the betterment of themselves.

Dasha Maximov: [00:15:44]Yeah, I echo what both of you guys say. And I think, I mean we, everyeverything you said, it's, it's true. It's the, and the one thing to add ontoit is what do cults usually have? Usually it's a commonality of purpose.

Right. And that purpose being that all of us, most of ushave some sort of a pain story to have gotten into biohacking. if not a painstory, then at least a, a kind of pulling and wanting of achievement either forphysical gains or also for fear of not wanting to. Get worse, right? Notwanting to have your muscles atrophy or, or not have the same stamina that youhad when you were 20.

So I think from a purpose standpoint, that is a unificationfor all of us within this biohacking world. I think what I find when I findpotentially lacking within biohacking is. The evolution of the individual evenmore so. Right. So when we're kind of what you were just saying, it's you havea number of folks who are in the industry or who are the followers, right.

And following blindly, which. At any point in time in anycult, if you're falling blind only then, then that's, that's a no, no. So, sowith that, if, if we look at it from that standpoint, then yes. Or just beingkind of sheeple that are being led, let it lead one way or another. And, andjust following whoever has the loudest voice, Gabrielle Lyon says, you followthe mouse with the microphone.

Right. which I think is a really interesting metaphor, but Ithink going back to that purpose of standpoint, I would, I would love to seebiohacking go and where, where I, the people that I enjoy really hanging yetwith you, you both being two of them is those people who are not just. Followingblindly, and B who are asking, what is the purpose of why I'm doing biohacking?

It's not because it's, I want to try the latest gadget orI'm just, you know, I need to inject this or I need to do this because thissounds cool. And I wanted them have followers or have, have people come to me,me as the, the source of, of, of what my opinion is. Right. It's those peoplewho are saying yes, I want to do biohacking because I want to be the bestversion of myself.

And essentially I don't need that latest gadget because I'malready good on that front. Right. I don't need, you know, another, like mysleep is really good. I don't need another gadget to play with my sleep. I'vealready had that. I might now I'm moving onto the next version of evolution,which is, you know, maybe it's the emotional side.

Maybe it's the relationship side. Maybe it's the, it's thefinding activity everywhere you go. And yeah. And taking those moments andsaying, yeah, this is an awesome day. yeah. I would say it's it's biohacking Ithink is fantastic. I think there is cultish about it. and where I would wantit to evolve to is, is the truth of what biohacking always was, which is an Nof one and not a tribe.

Boomer Anderson: [00:18:55]Okay. So you just hinted at something that I want Mads to take upon that aswell. Mads, what's the next step in biohacking? The evolution of biohacking, ifyou will.

Mads Friis: [00:19:09]More people chilling seriously.

Boomer Anderson: [00:19:14]So

Mads Friis: [00:19:14]that's,

Boomer Anderson: [00:19:15]that's fantastic,

Mads Friis: [00:19:16]but that's my honest opinion. Like, so I think there's so many amazing thingswith biotech and other things. There's definitely different ways of looking atbiohacking around the world and different cultures off soffit, this Canadianculture and American culture and so on.

And I think that's a different difference of what I see is alot of people are getting in and taking more control of their health. They'regetting better. Yeah. But there's kind of, there's kind of like there'sfunctional medicine and the functional medicine part of biohacking. And thenthere's, the other path is more like optimization.

And the thing, a lot of people get into biohacking becausethey have some kind of disease or some, or burnout or something else, and theywant to get back to that track. And I said, I think there's a lot of peoplethat are getting back to the track and then they kind of became, become toofanatic. Instead of realizing just enjoying life, like seeing friends as wellas a really important thing for being like healthy and performing optimally.

So I think it's relaxing a bit more and then remembering thesocial part a bit more,

Boomer Anderson: [00:20:12]in my opinion, I've taught you. And I have talked about that a lot recently interms of just how to remember, to actually go out and have fun, right. BecauseI think all of us have multiple careers going on right now. And so.

That's a very challenging one. Alright, sorting that nextquestion.

Okay. We just got done talking about how biohacking is notall about gadgets, but this one's going to be about gadgets. alright. So whathundred dollars or less purchase has been the best upgrade in your life in thepast? Let's call it this year 2020, which has been an interesting year for allof us.

Dasha Maximov: [00:20:53]Is it just gadgets?

Boomer Anderson: [00:20:56]I could, I mean, tell me where you're going to go with it and I'll say yes orno,

Dasha Maximov: [00:21:02]exhibit a,

Boomer Anderson: [00:21:03]I mean, gadgets or supplements or whatever you want to talk about. That'stotally fine.

Dasha Maximov: [00:21:08]Yeah. So what I just showed on screen, if people are watching or not watchingis kava, kava, Plex. so it comes, I feel like Vanna white, it comes in a littlebottle or a little shot.

so kava is, it's been really helpful this past year. So forme, I think like most people in 2020 I've been extremely stressed. and have notrealized that I've been extremely stressed. cause you know, I'm a, biohacker.And I'm, I'm never stressed. I'm great. so I think so comma does, is it, it's,it's called nature Xanax.

and I've been putting into my coffee in the morning and, andI find it to be very focusing and very chilling as well. It's a, it's somethingthat, so the owner of the company, Cameron is, I mean, his story is insane.

Boomer Anderson: [00:21:54]how he, by the time this episode comes out, there's going to be an episode withCameron as well.

Oh, fab.

Dasha Maximov: [00:21:59]Then, then everybody immediately listened to this episode. And then after thisepisode, go listen to all of

Boomer Anderson: [00:22:05]Cameron. Just don't stop.

Dasha Maximov: [00:22:07]Don't stop this one. yeah, Cameron, he has an incredible story. So, Really,really highly recommend it, especially if it's stress or anxiety, anything todo with that.

I think that's been my biggest one. and then maybe from agadget standpoint, the sensate I've really enjoyed that as well. it's thislittle tiny vibrating. This is my vibrating being that you put onto yourbreasts and, and, and it really helps what I find it's it, it helps just kindof calm down my nervous system as well.


Boomer Anderson: [00:22:37]so is it like the, just trying to make, like, for like, cause I'm familiar withit, but I've never tried it myself. is it similar to the Apollo, but it's justkind of on your chest.

Dasha Maximov: [00:22:47]It's similar. Same same but different. which is that

Boomer Anderson: [00:22:51]shouting out to the listeners in Thailand?

Dasha Maximov: [00:22:53]it, so I find that the Apollo is absolutely incredible for state changes.

I used it last year when I was really, really kind of goingnuts and I didn't have a lot of sleep. and I found that it helped me be active,be able to be active and social and open and have conversations, et cetera. Thesensate. I find as much that I personally use it for the reef laxativestandpoint.

something about having a device on your breast bone and thenthe conduction through, through the bone, as well as the music that they haveand that you're lying down. and they have this little pillow that goes ontothe, onto the device itself. So weighs it down even more. So, so it's

Boomer Anderson: [00:23:32]not like the art crystal where you wear it all day long?

Dasha Maximov: [00:23:34]No,

Boomer Anderson: [00:23:35]no, it's not. Okay.

Dasha Maximov: [00:23:36]Nope. Okay. And it's like 10 minutes, 20 minutes. so I, I actually usuallystack that with Neukom, for a, an amazing map. So 20 minutes of that, plus newcalm,

Boomer Anderson: [00:23:48]new columns. Not less than a hundred dollars. Yeah.

So that was my thing.

Dasha Maximov: [00:23:53]Invalid, invalid, invalid. Okay, cool. Mad. I want to hear it just so I stand ahundred bucks.

Boomer Anderson: [00:24:01]Is it a book? This you're a good book. Recommender.

Mads Friis: [00:24:04]I love books products. He said something as so. If it's under a hundred bucks,that kind of limits all of my fun biohacking triples, because they're all more expensive.So, but I would say for under a hundred bucks, it's at least for making thebiggest difference is something as simple as and boring as a calendar, meaninga physical piece of paper where I lock in my habits of meditation, exercising.

I think that's the only thing that that's less than ahundred dollars. Everything else is about more expensive, but, that's made adifference because I'm following the kind of advice I've never missed twice. Soyou can miss one day. But, you know, I missed two days and I've been doingmeditation for over a year now.

And it took me three to four years to actually getting ahabit of meditation.

Boomer Anderson: [00:24:49]Awesome. But I love my red light dot dash. I just threw out an invalid answer.So is the red light, the re the thing above $100.

Mads Friis: [00:24:57]I love my red bike. It's one of those things. I have so many studies and justfeels amazing as well.

Like there's many of these take supplements and so on. Youdon't feel the difference, but you can see it on your blood values when you getyour blood test done and so on. But the red light just instantly feels good forme. So that's something I would enjoy.

Boomer Anderson: [00:25:15]Okay. You know, I wrote down all the questions and I struggle with my answer tomy own damn question.

Okay. We can go a number of different ways here. So I'm justlooking around in my little lab full of random shit. And so, as I knockeverything over, so first thing that comes to mind and it's probably justcoming to mind. Cause I was just talking with like the world's foremost experton nicotine today.

and just sort of as a. Once in a while use case, I've foundnicotine to be fascinating. just because I grew up, in the Midwest, in theUnited States. Had parents who were smokers, but God forbid their kids ever besmokers. did was a little naughty kid for 12 when I was 12 years old, stole abunch of cigarettes and never smoked again.

But I, as a result, demonized nicotine, and you know, thisyear have come to find that there are benefits of, to it. And also that. If youregulate it well enough, you don't have to become addicted. Now, there arepeople even in this space that we all exist in that do say they're not addictedto it. And you'll see them hit five, six prays a day now.

This is one milligram spray, by the way. And so I've foundthe molecule that is nicotine to be fascinating and the spray, which is lessthan a hundred bucks, to be a very interesting one. The second one is somethingsimilar to. to you guys in terms of just something unexpected was just having apaper journal.

And so again, going back to being younger and thinking likedear diary was not the way that I'd necessarily want to represent my youth andnow I'm sort of like embracing it. And so every morning, starting. Yeah, I'mstill young at heart. So, you know, every morning just hitting like the threepoints of gratitude person, place, object near me.

Right. And then over the course of the day, if I havesomething running through this crazy mind of mine, I'll write it down. And soif you pick it up and try to read it, yeah. It looks like just, It looks likewhat's the word, like a Jackson Pollock painting in a way. But if you were tolike it, if you were to just look at his purpose, it's for me to take my brainand put it on a piece of paper so that I can actually focus and be present inthe moment.

So that's B that has been incredible. there's some few. Afew other things that we can get into, but in the interest of,

Dasha Maximov: [00:27:44]do you find just to pause you on that, do you find that you journal, so thegratitude component, is that a morning thing or anything thing for you

Boomer Anderson: [00:27:51]both now? just because I've admitted this many times, right.

I have stress induced sleep issues, right. And so. Given theamount of stuff that we're all involved in. It's not surprised sometimes thatyou would have a sleep issue as a result. and so I've found that having, I usedto do it just in the morning and now just having in the evening to recap theday and say, you know, I may be going into saying like, Oh, I didn't get this,this and this done well, let's reframe that and say, okay, but I did do this,this and this.

And as a result, I have a much better sleep experience. Allright back to the sorting hat. He was ready to join Griffin door or whatever,those Harry Potter things. Okay.

What wouldn't you do for a better life? Is there anything,if there's any, is there anything that would be crossing the line line for you?

Mads Friis: [00:28:58]Hurting other people. Yeah. So, but

Boomer Anderson: [00:29:01]that's an easy one. You took that, you took that one, like different way than Iexpected. All

Dasha Maximov: [00:29:05]right.

Mads Friis: [00:29:07]So, okay. Yeah. So I can, if it's like

Boomer Anderson: [00:29:11]live, what wouldn't you do to yourself?

Aye. So let me just start this off. If I'll give you guys abreather here to think if you will, about yours and maybe I'll make myselfsound reasonably okay. In the meantime, I have had the view as of late that ifit doesn't kill me, may me shame me or predispose me to a longterm addiction.I'm okay with it.

There are certain things in the trans humanism world that Iam slight. I'm looking out with a skeptical eye and, you know, we all justwatched the Neurolink presentation. Right. And that is very, very interesting.But what happens when you put something in your body that is a foreignsubstance? We don't know.

And so I have more of a skeptical eye about that, but otherthan that, I'm pretty much game for a lot of things.

Dasha Maximov: [00:30:12]Yeah, I would agree with that. no link just equals black mirror to me. Andthere's a number of episodes there that just freak me out. I'm now 15 yearsfrom now. I don't know how, when everybody else is going to have a chip and thethree of us might be, or the two of us might be, the odd, odd people out thenwho knows.

but for now it just, it just doesn't seem, I think a lot ofthis biohacking stuff we do, because we want to get back to more of the naturalside of things. Right.

Boomer Anderson: [00:30:44]So it's a very European approach to biohacking by the way. And Dasha for therecord is the one who is in the United States right now, correct?

Dasha Maximov: [00:30:52]Yeah. but, but there is spirit. yeah, so I think, I think that would probablybe one. The other one is. And now I'm going to go into the woo I guess, whichgo

Boomer Anderson: [00:31:01]for it,

Dasha Maximov: [00:31:01]which is energies thinking about and negative energies. Right? I think we'veall regardless of what we believe or whatever. I think we've all had theexperience where we have.

Met somebody and just said, I just don't get a good feelingfrom that person. I'm not sure about that one. And maybe you can't put a, aname on it. but I think especially within this space of psychedelics and, andbeing in a different state in a state where you are more open to some of theseenergies, that.

And I'm just very cautious of that. And so when I see peoplewillingly just running and doing iowaska retreats, or, you know, trying allthese different things, because Joe Rogan has tried DMT and you know, all thesedifferent like that,

Boomer Anderson: [00:31:50]he's already done a documentary on it.

Dasha Maximov: [00:31:53]you know, it, that is where I'm just cautionary to people and to myself aswell.

If I'm going, if I am going to journey with something orsomeone, then I want to make sure that it's, it's people that. Those energiesin that container are going to be

Boomer Anderson: [00:32:08]positive. Yeah. That's very, very important sentence setting, which we can gointo quite a lot with the entheogenic worlds, but yeah.

Sentence heading our service are important. Mads. Yes.You're hanging out in the background there. What are you thinking?

Mads Friis: [00:32:27]So a lot of things. So, I'm quite cautious about what I want to do to my brain.And would that meaning that I've never done cocaine or any drugs? So I'm apretty happy camper. And. And I often get comments on that and I don't reallywant to risk that.

So things that can make a longer impact on my brain that I'mnot sure, like, what is the impact, for example, mushrooms and so on. Likelion's mane, all the other stuff that doesn't have that impact, but be verycautious. I'm curious about some of it, but I'm also like, I'm not sure why Ishould do it. So for me, that's very much like why are you doing these thingsis, and watch the potential.

Would you say their potential costs and risk? So doing some ofthis stuff, and that sounds pretty interesting. And so long, I know severalpeople that have done I'll ask him different things and said, it's like lifechanging and so on. I'm like, I'm already feeling quite happy. I'm not sure Iwant to change that.

And I don't want, I don't think I want to take a bitunderstanding you often send the stress to something else, but, but that youwant might've want to do that bit. I also have to admit that I haven't lookedenough into the potential side side effects. Right. but the only thing is weknow that it hits people differently.

Some people can do. So many different things that doesn'taffect them and other people it's once. So, so for me, that's one of the thingsI don't wanna, I don't want to jump into at least, or not where I am today. AndI'm definitely on the, I don't want to get a chip into my head as it is rightnow. Like the whole transhumanism, it's not video.

Some, one of the things I'm looking into, but with thatsaid, as Dasha said, as well, you don't really know in 20 years, like where arewe then has our perception completely changed? But my perception right now isthat I definitely don't want a chip in my brain.

Boomer Anderson: [00:34:11]Yeah, with that. I think we're universally agreeing that we don't want to bethe first mover.

Like I'm fine to be a Guinea pig in most things, but beingthe first mover on brain chips or even human augmentation, doesn't appear to beappealing to me, Mads, when you're ready to have the conversation onpsychedelics, I know somebody that you can talk to, and I'm happy to happy torefer you to him.

Or just, you can call me. All right. So moving on to ournext question here on the sorting hat, and we're getting through quite a few ofthese wow. More than I expected.

Mads Friis: [00:34:49]So if I can come with one comment for the other one, I think it's also like,what wouldn't you do for your health? And I remember reading Tim Ferriss and hehad certain things like what studies were sitting and so on.

And I'm not sure if I actually want it to be quoted on this,but he had one of the things that there were studies showing that if a manejects a certain amount of time of his life, that can shorten his life. Okay.And he was like, there's many things that I will do and not do. But I'm notgoing to limit my amount of sex and so on just sitting there.

So, so I think there's all the, like, what are you giving upfor, for getting those like small benefits? I think that's pretty important.Math.

Boomer Anderson: [00:35:30]Yeah. I don't Hunter. It can be a tantric, could be a huge benefit.

Mads Friis: [00:35:33]I've heard about it. Did you do a podcast in that if you know, an expert.Please let me know.


Dasha Maximov: [00:35:39]it was a really good point that also by the way, math is, oftentimes, so II've, I'm electro hypersensitive and I know that, I know that the devicesaround me, the batteries just drain a lot quicker.

I know that I feel really horrible after being on a planeand I get a lot of people asking me, okay, well, why don't you just go and livein the boonies? And that, I guess that's, that's another component. What wouldI do? I do. I'm not going to change the quality of my life, just because again,like you're saying amounts is going to give me an extra five years.

It's, I'm going to mitigate all the negative nonsense asmuch as I possibly can, knowing that. Unfortunately, the one certainty of lifeis that right? We're all gonna die. So yeah. You know, it's just a matter ofhow do I, how do I mitigate the bad, but then know that it's, I need to havesome sort of, you know, electrical devices around me, unfortunately, to live inthis modern world.

Boomer Anderson: [00:36:41]Beautiful. All right. Going back to the sorting, not somebody else have aquestion or am I just going to keep pulling questions out of that? So to speak,

Dasha Maximov: [00:36:49]what is, okay, how about this? What is something that your friends, your familythink is absolutely bunkers that you do within this biohacking world, that theyjust look at you and shake their heads.

And it's like, I just, I can't get on board with that.

Boomer Anderson: [00:37:05]Fucking everything

you, this podcast is. Free free speech by the way. So if youwant to curse, go for it. that does come up quite a bit. I think some of myrecent forays into psychedelics in particular, my family, I think. There arecertain people in my family that find are accepting of that and are very opento why I've explored that.

And I had some very distinct reasons as to why. but there'sother members of my family that say like, Hey, I have a history of basicallyfriends in high school committee suicide, and there were psychedelics involved.Right. And so. You know, they point to that person and say, Oh my God, who areyou now?

Because you're doing all these things that you said youwould never do. so there there's certainly, I think that's the, the obvious onefor me, Mads.

Mads Friis: [00:38:03]Yup. Just turning it up to more light. Perfect for sleep. So I think when Istarted some of this stuff, the first time someone heard that I did a pooptest.

They're like, you're what you took the poop up from yourtitle. That was definitely like, That was a big thing. and now that seems sonormal when you're in these circles, right? Like, Oh, you got a microbiome testwas like,

Boomer Anderson: [00:38:29]you haven't done yours in three months. Yeah. Like irresponsible.

Mads Friis: [00:38:33]Yeah. Like take responsibility for your health.

So that was definitely like the first time I had to tellsomeone that the addict of my own poop to get assisted, to make sure that myhealth was doing well and they could optimize that list. I think that was. Thefirst big thing. I think neurofeedback that I played around with a little bitwas also something where people were like, you got, what on your brain?

Like what's going on. That was much more like, one thing islooking into a red light and so on. That's kind of like, yeah, that's kind ofweird, but you do that to animals as well, right. To get them to produce betterstock and so on. So that was more natural or easygoing.

Boomer Anderson: [00:39:10]Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, Dash.

Dasha Maximov: [00:39:13]Yeah. I just, I think it also before I answer, the fact, I really love the factthat many of the conversations that I have nowadays within the people in thecircle, you can be easily bring up these types of things, of group tests andthis, that the other. And there's no, there's almost nothing that's sacred,which I think is kind of nice because

Boomer Anderson: [00:39:30]I love this one.

Dasha Maximov: [00:39:31]It's I, I have found that my upbringing, it was very. Walled, right. Or thekind of the, if you think of a, an onion, right. And you're unpeeling thelayers of the onion, I never let anybody come to the center of that onion andthat vulnerability, perhaps that's the Russian background, perhaps that I don'tknow what it doesn't really matter, I suppose.

but opening up that, that vulnerability and breaking downthose walls, I find is one of the most beautiful things about this biohackingand, and health space. Anyway, that's not the answer to the question. the, Ithink the thing that I get is less, less about the, like the things. Yeah. AndI'm doing, and more just in general about the industry of like, wait, you,you're not a doctor and these other people that are in the industry, they'renot doctors.

So, you know, why do they know more than. More than theregular med, like typical Western medicine. Right. Or, you know, or that's notbeen proven or, you know, so I think it's, it's more than the pushback that Iget is on the mentality, less so necessarily on, on specific gizmos andgadgets, like, because it was in gadgets, it's just like, Oh yeah, that's justcrazy.

Whatever. It's a, it's a new thing. Right. More so it's the.How, how dare you think that the system isn't actually accurate and why do youthink that the supplements which are not FDA approved these devices, whichagain, we don't know how they work, or maybe they're going to have detrimentaleffects down the line.

And it's like, well, yeah, but I mean, Look at birthcontrol. For example, I just did a post earlier, and all the detrimental effectson that. And yet that's FDA approved. So obviously within our space, we havepushbacks on that, but I think that's the main thing that I get asked about ofwhy do you think that this industry is actually any better than a massiveconglomerate of a whole bunch of doctors?

in Western medicine

Boomer Anderson: [00:41:38]very well said. We can talk about social, cultural programming a little bit,but shall we go back to the sorting hat?

Dasha Maximov: [00:41:46]I say, we go and we keep on this. Cause it seems like you, it seems like youhave thoughts on that.


Mads Friis: [00:41:52]okay.

Boomer Anderson: [00:41:55]One of the questions I was going to ask later, and we probably still ask it iswhat are you working on right now?

And going back to your analogy of unpeeling, the layers ofthe onion, I started this whole journey as sort of like, how do you, how do Isleep less work more? And look good naked, essentially. And that was a lot ofexercise. There's a lot of, a lot of playing with diets, some testing, etcetera. And then, you know, of course my whole heart thing happened and I hadto go fix that.

So you unpeel layers of the onion and you start to realizethat, you know, okay, sleep's important. You fix your sleep, then you realizestress feeds into sleep and you sort of work on your stress thing. Eventuallyyou come to a spot or I have arrived at a spot where it's just like, okay,what, why do I like.

And Mads, you're actually quite good at this. Just sort ofthe, the programs and the, the words that play throughout your head. Like why,why do they exist? And, you know, Mads is ticker. And so he's always positive,right? And so why is that? And there's probably something in his upbringingthat made that happen.

but you know, I look at it and say, okay, why am I afraid totalk in certain scenarios? And you know, one of the things that I actuallythink is. It maybe by, on talking, not biohacking, but, is something that youended up working on is this idea of how you think and why those, the structuresof your thinking exist.

And so I ended up very, probably earlier this year when Isaw you dosh and, Kelly and ended up kind of delving into this whole world ofwhy are. Why do I think the way I do and that kind of gets into this realm ofsocial cultural programming. And so what I mean by that these are beliefs thatyou have that are instilled upon you by somebody else, by your environment thatyou live in.

And so for me, upbringing was, you know, older brother andthere's something called schema therapy that people can look into about thisstuff. but also religion. And, that one in particular, And just sort of lookinglike, Hey, I was baptized Roman Catholic and then just really digging into, youknow, you're subservient to this person who has gone through, some stuff sortof training to preach to you.

Right. And just sort of digging into why those things exist.Why something like original sin means you're damned with the moment that you'reborn and Holy shit, am I going to have an explicit. Podcasts here, but it's,you know, I started looking into these things and saying like, Hey, these are,these are real programs that are, are running a lot of people out there and youcan see it working in people.

but those are structures that no longer serve me. They no longer,you know, are. Helping me and actually in the next journey in the onion for meis removing those structures. And part of it was probably like reading Nichaand getting into the whole concept of the Ubermensch. But Nina had a little bitof an ego to him.

and so, you know, looking at just those programs and tryingto dissect those programs and say, why do they exist? Do they serve a purpose?And they don't serve a purpose, then throw them out the door.

Dasha Maximov: [00:45:19]How are you doing on that?

Boomer Anderson: [00:45:21]I'm fine.

Dasha Maximov: [00:45:22]Talking about the door.

Boomer Anderson: [00:45:25]Yeah, it's just. It's interesting. Once you observe it and you start to removethings, but also, I mean, it's not perfect, right? Like you've had these thingssince you were born or pre-birth right. And so you start to remove some ofthese items and you're like, Oh, okay.

That feels good. But, and then you kind of. Recognize whenit comes to play again. And so I haven't figured out how to like blow them upif you will, but I have done a fairly good job of just recognizing that they'rethere.

Dasha Maximov: [00:45:56]Boss, do you have anything like.

Boomer Anderson: [00:45:59]All right. I want to interrupt our regularly scheduled the friendly chat totalk about two things that I use on a daily basis.

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Dasha Maximov: [00:48:12]Now with age realized may not be the truth for you.

Mads Friis: [00:48:22]Good question. So I start, so I think my journey has been different than two ofyours. there's different, a lot of things that I have learned, but I startedmore from a psychological perspective when I was like 15, 16 reading aboutthat. Then when I was 25, I started getting more into the whole health base.

So, so I actually think a lot of the mental. models thatI've learned quite a bit, because I started reading the like Tony Robbinsdilemma quite early. And I, and I did the exercises again and again and again.So I kind of. You can say it just like those social models. I had the audioprogram from engineering Robinson.

A lot of people are laughing at me often that, if someonesays biohacking is the call, someone would say like, I'm part of the TonyRobbins called, because I've been taking that reprogramming again. And again,listening to some of the things about how do you take control of your ownreality? How do you look at the positive, writing down a gratitude journal, allof those things.

I think I've been. And what is focusing on them. And I thinka big thing for me was learning the gratitude journal. And I learned about thatin 2013 where I started since then I've been writing down a gratitude journal.So almost every day, of course there's some days I don't get to do it. I'm animperfect human being as everyone else.

And I think that's, and I kind of, I think I accept thatvery

Boomer Anderson: [00:49:35]much.

Mads Friis: [00:49:36]I think, I don't think I'm that hard on myself. I think everyone has challengesand we all make a lot of mistakes. So I think something that the lesson for meis that things don't have to happen as fast. So I've become much more patientonce I've gotten older, that it doesn't really matter like a year here andthere, or like how fast you get to a point you'll get there in time.

I think that's the thing that I would have told myself earlier,but there's also something about when you're younger, that if you get in andthere's something Tony Robbins talks about a lot is that you get into thatchop. Can you say kind of, top 5% of something, you get a lot moreopportunities and that just kind of opened doors, but then again, it doesn'treally matter when you look at when you're 50 or 60 years old, you wouldprobably have gotten far enough.

Anyway, I think that's important that don't Russ it toomuch.

Boomer Anderson: [00:50:29]Enjoy the journey. Yes. Beautiful. Alright. Can I go back to the hat dosh? Doyou want to add to this? I know, I know. Oh, you're kind of dodging the mostcontroversial question that you seated. That's a very nice, excellent. Soyou're going to take the, I'm going to give you a question.

You're going to be the first one to answer. Okay. No, we'llsay that one for later. what is of importance?

Dasha Maximov: [00:51:01]Oh, okay. Fine. I gave you that question. I'm going to it. Take the questionand answer the question that I want to ask answer instead of

Boomer Anderson: [00:51:11]the Dasha show.

Dasha Maximov: [00:51:14]I want to do the politician route.

Boomer Anderson: [00:51:16]Yeah. Trendy this time of year.

Dasha Maximov: [00:51:19]Yeah. Right. so of importance. I think the question that I would shift it towas is.

What is, what is, what is the question that keeps on comingup for me? Right? that over time keeps on being of importance, right? As Iguess is I guess how I would reframe that. And to me, that question advantageto that is what is my purpose. And it keeps on coming up and keeps on coming upand keeps on coming up.

it came up during my, the bus and, Almost 10 years ago, itcame, it comes up basically every time in my, in anytime I journal any, most ofmy gratitude stuff is kind of that, lately what I've been finding with that,what is my purpose? What is my purpose on this planet during this life? one,because there's multiple versions.

One version is my purpose is to be a mirror of light forsomebody else. So I think that each of us has both light and dark in us. We alldo right to deny that as naive. but it's the finding of that light andrecognizing that light. So you can shine a brighter and brighter and brighter.So, I had a friend earlier this week who basically was saying, I really enjoyhanging out with your damage because I like the person that I am around.

You. Right. And so going back to that purpose or thatimportance is I think my, my version besides, you know, wanting to push forwardon women's health, but besides being really interested in brain health, besidesbeing a sister and a daughter and all that kind of stuff that I have, I thinkone of my purposes.

But I find joy in and I find importance in is how do I showother people their own light? That's what I would come to.

Boomer Anderson: [00:53:16]Awesome. Okay. Well, does that mean you're going to announce an executivecoaching business very soon?

Dasha Maximov: [00:53:23]No, no, no, no, no. None that I found said not nonsense. Sorry. That was, thatwas a misstep, but I think it's just, yeah, it's it is, I think all three of ushave a sense of grounding.

Right. I sense of, of, of weight to us and knowing our ownright and wrong, knowing our own versions of, of whatever we find to be thetruth. So for example, Mads is a really easy example. He, his truth is findingthe light or finding, finding the positive. Side of literally every situation,anytime I call you Madsen, I'm like, man, this is annoying or whatever, youalways are able to flip it.

Right. and that, that is incredible, that you're able to dothat. The only reason you're able to do that is because you have suchsteadiness and such. Such a strong foundation. And so I think, and that fromthat foundation, then you can fly off and do your kitesurf things and goskydiving and be crazy and run around.

It can be, you know, through whatever you're able to, like,whatever is you as the essence of maths. Right. And I think that. The moretypes of people we have like that who are, who are just able to say, listen,I'm set. And I'm sort of who I am so that I can be the, that next level ofcrazy if we have people around us like that.

Yeah. Then that, for lack of a better word, allows us thepermission to go and be that extra crazy. Right. So boomer, when you and I arewalking around in Amsterdam, you know, doing random stuff or randomly, likethere was no, I think it's because both of us are so set in who we are thatwe're happy to just go with it.

Okay. So, yeah. Anyway, I don't know if that, if that, soit's not about executive coaching. It's about. Staying true to who you are andshowing that to other people so that other people also feel that they can betreated themselves.

Boomer Anderson: [00:55:12]Now I'm trying to figure out how to flip your question onto Mads because theoriginal question got flipped when I asked it.

So. Tasha, you have to ask a question and Mads now, and

Dasha Maximov: [00:55:22]what, what for you, what for you is of importance in this life?

Mads Friis: [00:55:29]So many things, and thank you for the kind words Dasha, I just wanted like, soone thing is when you were born with, we know that in regards to happiness,that might be 50% of 60%. That's different.

Kind of studies on that, but a lot of it is also somethingthat what you do. So I am quite positive and I often flip things to thepositive side, but it's also a daily practice of being aware of it and alsosurrounding yourself with people that are positive. I have a really good friendcalled Mark, who is always looking at the positive as well.

And I can see when I'm around him, that's also helps meagain, look more at the positive. So I think it's important to say one thing issomething you're born with, but there's so much that you can actually work on. AndI've been working on this for like more than 10 years. So at least it showsthat it works, that you can find more of the positive.

So I think that's, that's a pretty important point as wellthat it doesn't and just come natural. Like I have negative thoughts, likeevery other human being, like, again, I'm an imperfect human being, but Ireally put in work to kind of find the positive meaning in everything. Andthere has to be something that was an important thing to notice.

And what's, what's off importance in this life. So there'sso many angles of attack in that, right? There's like, what should you, whatshould you spend your life on when you hear one thing is being happy. But wealso know like, just doing things that makes us happy is not what createsmeaning. And that meaning is actually the thing that matters the most fast ashuman beings.

That if we have meaning we we're doing this, the what's itcalled Franklin. The main search for meaning really known book was kind oflike, what really matters for us is finding meaning we can be in a really toughsituation, but if we can find meaning we can, we can still survive and we'dhave a good life.

So to say, and then I think something needs to change awayfrom the, from the health target is saying like, we have this one planet.Without opening up a full Pandora's box, but I think we have a responsibilityto kind of look into like, what can we, what can we do on a collective basis?that's not to say that we can't have a fun life, but like, what can we do tomake sure that we leave this place for, if we're going to have kids, they alsohave a place to come.

I think that's really something we need to focus more on,but we can't tackle everything at the same time.

Dasha Maximov: [00:57:38]Mr. Boom. Okay. Okay.

Boomer Anderson: [00:57:40]You're going to make me answer this question.

Mads Friis: [00:57:41]Yeah. Alright.

Boomer Anderson: [00:57:44]So if we're going to take the of importance and then we're going to spin thatinto purpose, right. Purpose became crystal clear to me when, you know, youhave a doctor telling you a 95% chance of a heart attack when at a relativelyyoung age.

Right. and so if I expanded that purpose from just basicallyfiguring out how not to die to then just looking at, okay. I had a fairlyinteresting career in finance fairly early on and then left it. Focused onhealth for a bit. And then it was like, okay, what, what are kind of thebiggest problems that I can work on and try and just move the needle a littlebit.

And so the purpose really became kind of, how do we kind ofelevate it, this experience that is humanity, right. Because we're all walkingaround and there's a lot of people that are very, very unhappy. Not everybodyis mad, so right. And I have to call mad sometimes to remind myself to be likeMads. But, you know, when you look at just sort of elevating the humanexperience, what are sort of the tools, the modalities, everything that you canplay with.

And I think, you know, and then you look at the net effectof that. And so when I look at. The areas that I wanted to focus on and seewhere I could have the greatest impact. I eventually arrived back at health,which is where I was working on in the first place. And my thought processthere, or hypothesis was is that if you improve the health of people, they willgo on and make better decisions and they will be able to then knock on effecthere, do things like save the planet, which I think is where Madison was goingwith his last statement.

Right. And so if sustainability is. Is of question, right?So sustainability of the planet, et cetera, is of question, how can I, as oneindividual start to help that. And so, I mean, that was originally how theit's, why I keep doing the podcast is cause there's people that listen thatgive good feedback and all of that stuff.

Right. And it's why we all are out there talking about thisis because we want to help other people, Dasha using your words of like,Reflecting that light so that people can be healthier, make better decisions.And hopefully that results in a greater good for, for this planet, because, youknow, we may face an overpopulation problem.

We may face a lack of resources problem, but the best waythat I know to. help fix those as to help people make better decisions. And themain catalyst to that is not to go eat McDonald's and get four hours of sleepevery night of the week. It's to be in better health. And so you make betterdecisions when you're in better health.

And so I wanted to be at that sort of nexus. And so I havethis phrase and it's just elevating the human experience. And then you, if youlooked into what that actually meant, it's just through health and. That'ssomething that I have to remind myself to connect to daily, because it's abouta bigger vision rather than checking stuff off of my, to do list, which I'm aproductivity fiend.

So that can be a temptation sometimes.

Dasha Maximov: [01:00:51]Yeah. And I like, I mean, one, you've kind of connected both what Moz and Iwere saying. but then in addition, gone and gone back to. What we were talkingabout with biohacking, which is what is the purpose, right. If it's not thepurpose of just trying all the gizmos and gadgets, it's too much be healthierso that you can actually have a fuller life so that you can actually be a, a, asource.

So how, what kind of a source of good for your community aswell? Because I know that if I sleep. You know, four hours a night, I'm aterror to be around, you know, you don't, I'm not a happy person.

Boomer Anderson: [01:01:25]Got to get you some blue. Kennington over this.

Dasha Maximov: [01:01:31]Not if not, if I take it after two 30 and I'm no good.

Boomer Anderson: [01:01:36]Okay. all right.

So. What's your archimedes' lever and performance, meaningfor you personally, what is the one thing that if you nail it, the rest of yourday is going to be fricking incredible. Okay. Okay. That's three check the box.Easy question. All right. Moving on to the next one. huh. Say that one forlater. Favorite book of the moment have not of all time of the moment.

Dasha Maximov: [01:02:03]Cool. Looking at my bookshelf.

Boomer Anderson: [01:02:07]I know. So am I, well, at least the books that are available to me right here.

Mads Friis: [01:02:12]So when, when you say at the moment, so like when I'm reading, I'm only readingone book at the time,

Boomer Anderson: [01:02:17]the orange, you just a little focused on,

Mads Friis: [01:02:21]so, so that will be like the current book that I'm reading, but I definitelyhave like favorite book of all time.

Boomer Anderson: [01:02:27]Okay, let's go. Favorite book of all time for you. And then I want to hear whatyou're reading at the moment.

Mads Friis: [01:02:30]Yes. And I think you can already guess it, and data knows what is awaken thegiant within Tony Robbins. That's my number one.

Dasha Maximov: [01:02:37]Yes. I like what both of us like, Oh yeah, yeah, of

Boomer Anderson: [01:02:40]course.

Mads Friis: [01:02:41]Second would probably be the firm dilemma, the art of living a happy life.

Boomer Anderson: [01:02:47]Very nice. Very nice. Ms. Maximov.

Dasha Maximov: [01:02:51]favorite book of all time, just cause it just comes quickly to mind. it's achildren's book and it's called the giver by Lois Lowry. it's just wonderful. Iread it when I was in fourth grade and I keep going back to it every singleyear. Just love it. the book that I'm reading now is young.

Mads Friis: [01:03:10]We already talked to you about that.

Dasha Maximov: [01:03:13]You told me about this last year and I still haven't read it

Boomer Anderson: [01:03:15]all the audio

Mads Friis: [01:03:16]books that I've recommended you, that you read. You've been loving the pyramid

Boomer Anderson: [01:03:20]principle,

Mads Friis: [01:03:21]the happiness advantage, and so on

Dasha Maximov: [01:03:23]happiness and Ranchos bomb. yeah, basically anytime I need any book, I, Iusually come to one of the two of you guys.

I really like to centralism, I know a boomer you had. MrMcKellen, is it on? that was really, that was really quite good. And then Ioften don't do the one book rule that Mads has in place, which I wish I couldlittle bit of add. I usually have one book that's more on the kind of spiritualor religious or, or.

Well side. and then one on, a fact or, you know, kind oflooking into swimming specific on health. so right now estrogen matters is on,is on my list for, from a women's health perspective. And then I'm reading. Ican't remember the name of the book, but it's a young, Carl Young who is, it'slike psychology from the East, meets the West or something like that.

I can't remember the name of the actual title.

Boomer Anderson: [01:04:17]Yeah. I, I flipped through that yesterday when I was supposed to be on apodcast about that. And that was, it was very, very good. Or I flipped throughthat as you know, I went to the section that I needed borrowed the phrases thatI wanted and you know, it, it was helpful for contextualizing what I actuallywanted to say, because Carl Young's written it.


Dasha Maximov: [01:04:39]I was going to say it, if you, if you've gotten to the point where you'reflipping through young, then good on, you

Boomer Anderson: [01:04:43]know, I'm not quite there. Yeah. I would like to be. And considering I like youdosh have stacks of books and they usually fall into different categories.Right. Even, you know, I've even gone back into the dreaded world of businessbooks these days.

and so they kind of fit in a various categories. And sofavorite book of all time, which may be shifting just because of how my, my,the calculus is working in my head, I guess, is the thing that comes to mind isAtlas shrugged and. Because when I was 22 in New York coming home from work at2:00 AM, and then staying up till 4:00 AM just to read this fricking 1100 pagebook.

it really resonated with me at the time. And I still thinkthat there's some very good points that Iran makes that stick with me. but bookof the moment. So just to give you a sense of what is stacked in various placesin my household, So usually at nighttime it's spirituality of some sort, whichcould be the Vedas, which is very, very dense, or, the God delusion, which ismay actually answer the question.

That we're talking about here. And then, you know, from businessstandpoint, I'm getting back into economics and evolutionary game theory. So alot of books on that and looking at sort of strategy and strategic thinking,but also David Rubinstein, who's the co founder of Carlyle group came out witha book about leadership, which I'm just interested in anything that DavidRubinstein does.

So, I'll probably flip through that as well, or I'll listento that. And so the grand question is, is what is the favorite book of themoment? It's probably the God delusion. Richard Dawkins writes a very rationaland eloquent argument, around organized religion. So I encourage people tocheck that out and you can, like, you can look at it objectively and just sortof say rather than coming into it with an emotion, just, is it a good book?

And. I think it is.

Dasha Maximov: [01:06:42]And that's the one that you had recommended with like the four guys that arehaving a

Boomer Anderson: [01:06:45]conversation. So that's, that's the four horsemen. That's slightly different.That's a very quick listen for anybody. That's kind of an intro to the Goddelusion in a way, because it's Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett,and, Christopher Hitchens.

And they are all talking about just sort of some of thesesocial cultural programs, mainly religion. and what that is like in this momentin time. And so rather than pulling. Oh, and I also am reading, CatherineShanahan's new book, which is, the it's kind of a SQL to deep nutrition andthat's that's deep nutrition is one of my favorite nutrition books of all time.

All right. Any questions Mads? You haven't come up with aquestion yet.

Mads Friis: [01:07:28]I think we've got really good questions already. So the one question, likewhat, what makes you guys really happy? What's the thing that you found out thelast, like two years to make sure we did happen gives you purpose in life.

Dasha Maximov: [01:07:41]Those are two different things.

I guess they're the same, same, same, same, same different.what, what, what gives me a lot of joy is. Having very open conversations.That's what I realized

Boomer Anderson: [01:07:55]being vulnerable

Dasha Maximov: [01:07:56]now. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson: [01:07:58]I mean, it sounds

Dasha Maximov: [01:07:59]so cliche. It really does. But think about it. Think about those moments whenyou've, when you just. Been thrilled, right?

When you, when you are sitting with your best friend, whenyou are sending it just able to be who you are, and not having to think, whichI think to me at least has been this conversation now. I mean, I know it'sgoing to go out to a whole bunch of people, but it doesn't feel that way. Causeit feels like I'm just chatting with some friends.

But that's because you I'm able to let down that guard,right? Yeah. I think, I think that's it for me. I mean, besides okay. Besidesbeing out in nature and swimming, I mean, I'm, I'm, I love to be out on thebeach or swimming. just being, having my body in a body of water. His joy isyour joy. But other than that, it's just being around good people that I canfeel like myself.

Boomer Anderson: [01:08:47]Yeah. I'll echo that. So I'm just gonna borrow what you said. We're going tosay, okay. Check. I agree. but also I'll add to that learning. And so, One ofthe reasons why I enjoy talking to both of you so much is because I alwayslearn. And I'm always in a state of like ma I'm always in some sort of state ofcuriosity.

Right. And so whenever we chat, whether it be Mads and Ilate at night or on the weekend, she always get me in. I either get you at likefour o'clock in the morning, my time or late at night. so, you know, I just. Ilove the idea of continuously learning and evolving if you will. And some ofthe people I'm working with now obviously are just like incredibly intelligenthuman beings.

And I just feel like I'm in a constant state of learning. Sothis year in many ways has been a Hmm, an awesome experience in the sense thatevery day I'm learning something new, I may not always enjoy what I'm learning,but it does serve you at some point. And so connecting it back to the purposealways helps.

Dasha Maximov: [01:09:51]What about you Mads?

Mads Friis: [01:09:53]So I think something that's so echo what you guys said, of course, butsomething that's new for me in the last two years is sauna and cold water. Thatwas a, that was a surprise to, to learn. So of course. Yeah. And just give thesudden this, this certain feeling in your body, it's just.

The pure happiness. So that's been a, that's been a new onefor me the last two years. And then of course after the same things, as youguys finding something that provides meaning being with good friends, honestconversations, where you share something, seeing my niece or my nephew now isjust fantastic, is already a little big bus.

My niece buzzing me around it's only four years old, butsome of those things that we all know being out in nature and so on and beingactive. But at the sauna is new with the sauna and cold water.

Boomer Anderson: [01:10:43]Okay. this may or may not be the last question. We'll see how it goes. how haslocked down benefited you?

You like how I flip that to the positive, by the way, rightmonths?

Mads Friis: [01:10:54]Yes.

Dasha Maximov: [01:10:57]You start Boomer.

Boomer Anderson: [01:10:59]Alright, so history. Right? So moved to Singapore at the age of 25, spend waytoo much time on a plane. So the point where I'm actually still living off ofmy frequent flyer miles, and. Have traveled. I've like had been fortunate totravel all over the world, but by virtue of the fact that I have before thislockdown not spent more than three weeks in any single city in what, eight ornine years.

Okay. that probably was kicking some dust underneath thefurniture. So to speak in terms of. You know, dealing with just personalissues, but also, I always felt like I was on the go leaning forward. You'realways preparing for that next trip and what it's going to be like when you'reon the road.

And when you're always preparing for you on the road, you'renot actually dealing with what you're doing in the moment. And so just havingsome sort of bug or virus, if you will tell me, Hey, you can't go anywhere.Well, at first it was fricking nerve wrecking as hell. but then you start to,you start to realize like, Oh wow, there is this, there's this beautiful, thecity that I live in, which I did appreciate that all.

And you know, yeah. There's, there's these like moments,these cards, rotations, and I don't have to always be in a rush to dosomething. And so if I'm going to summarize my entire diatribe there in likeone sentence it's to slow the fuck down. And to enjoy the journey. And so thisis something that has come up consistently throughout this conversation is likefinding the art of enjoying the journey.

And it's only taken me till I'm 34 years old and for aglobal pandemic to happen, but kind of set in this year,

Mads Friis: [01:12:51]focus time. So. I have a really interesting day job you could say, or not justa job where I work with building new health companies. So that's superfascinating, but there's also a lot of people, a lot of tasks coming in. Socovert gave me the opportunity of having a few hours focused on the same task.

And that's just peaceful. Like the feeling is just focusingfully on one task and just like something that can make a difference, learningabout something that has been absolutely fantastic. Something that really makesme happy.

Boomer Anderson: [01:13:23]Thanks.

Mads Friis: [01:13:24]What about you, Dennis?

Boomer Anderson: [01:13:26]Yeah, she's been hiding. You gotta get

Dasha Maximov: [01:13:30]ditto and ditto on both of what you guys just said.

Obviously I think all of us have traveled, extensively forwork. And so it's probably the going back to Irv though, right? The Vata, theair it's it's. This is more the, the cuff of this is the grounding misses. The,we are all being forced to be grounded, which is just very good. The noise. forme, for me, it's been this past year has really made me focus on thesimilarities and the differences between how each of us and is taking this on.

Right. So I've noticed with certain friends that I find thatI'm a lot more stable putting in air quotes right. Than they are. in terms ofthis amount of stress with other friends, I find that I'm completely not right.And I'm the other one on the other way. so recognizing for me, it's beenrecognizing that this experience, which is.

The same experience across the board for everybody in thatwe are in a pandemic, that that experience is impacting people very, very, verydifferently, which is a really obvious statement. I know. but something aboutthat and realizing that, We are all have different fears and how those fearsare coming out.

It could be that one day, you know, it's the fear of nothaving toilet paper. It could be the fear of not having food in the, in thegrocery store or where you're gonna get your paycheck from, or, but, so to me,it's been a really. Beautiful sitting with going back to the sitting, right.Sitting with understanding or evaluating or recognizing fear and what thatlooks like within me.

my, my family has had a number of health issues this pastyear. seeing how, if before that fear I would have pushed down now I'm. Willingor ready or open to. Truly embodying that fear and saying, okay, what is this?And why do I need to learn from it? And why am I waking up at three in themorning and having a complete breakdown, where I'm sobbing, like the littlekid, like, you know, the little, little kid cry.

but it's, so to me it's been. This year has been a trueexploration of fear. I don't think it's, I don't think I'm gonna end. I thinkit's going to be a continued evolution, but it's that unpeeling of it there.

Boomer Anderson: [01:15:58]Beautiful. Okay. Last question. And for everybody, and we'll go around the hornand sort of rapid-fire style.

What's your top trick for enhancing focus and it doesn'thave to be, it doesn't have to be a pill or capsule. Mads,

Mads Friis: [01:16:16]obviously sleep understand, like get some proper sleep. Second one, remove allof those distractions. So I don't have notifications coming up all the time. Myphone is almost always on flight mode and miss, I know an important pole isgoing to come in that I want to get notified about.

So really removing all of those distractions. And then

Boomer Anderson: [01:16:37]that's why I can't get ahold of you. Yes. Why don't I call him? I'm like, Ohman, it's endless phone tag with Mads.

Mads Friis: [01:16:43]Yes. It's always back and forth, but like, my phone is probably like 10 minutesa day maximum on sound. so I'm, I'm focused on the test that I'm in.

Otherwise you also constantly looking at your phone. So Ioften put it away physically. I know I sound like a big TB, but I think that'snot that bad of a

Boomer Anderson: [01:17:01]thing. No, Derek productivity Manch.

Dasha Maximov: [01:17:09]I don't, yeah. Those two as is the best, right. I mean, yeah, you could go thenootropics, you could get all that stuff. so from a nootropic standpoint itwould probably be prescriptions. and that's not because I'm staring at. Mrtranscriptions in Europe. but it does it, it works stupidly well, yeah, coffee,Apollo, I mean, in terms of gadgets, I think, from a focus standpoint, besidesI think those two tricks that, that Moz, you were just talking about that thoseare my top two, but, it's probably also just lining up to understand.

What is the thing that you're doing on and doing, where doesthat fit into the big scheme of things and why is it of importance? because otherwiseit's just like, Oh, I just need to get this done. It's like, no, where doesthis fit in?

Boomer Anderson: [01:17:56]Yeah.

Mads Friis: [01:17:57]Music is pretty important. I think.

Boomer Anderson: [01:17:59]Yeah.

Mads Friis: [01:17:59]Yeah. We're probably all doing that as well.

For me, like getting in the right state. No, I'm on yourdesk.

Dasha Maximov: [01:18:04]I hate music when I'm working. I'm the, I'm the opposite opposite. When I was akid, I would always go to the library and I just need pure, quiet. so

Boomer Anderson: [01:18:11]yeah, the late law school.

Dasha Maximov: [01:18:14]Yeah. I'm the opposite of many, many folks in our generation. I feel like a lotof people like throw on music and that just gets them in the zone.

Again, I don't know whether it's it's brain injuries orwhatever, but it's the, I need to do one task at one time. and the one task isdoing that versus trying to listen to music at the same time, but that's what Ifound, but it actually doesn't work for me,

Boomer Anderson: [01:18:38]three from sleep meditation exercise. And if I get all three of those, before Istart doing anything or checking my email in particular, it's going to be.

So, that's good. Okay. Fuck it. I want to ask one morequestion. Are you guys okay with one more question? Are you guys again, time?

Dasha Maximov: [01:19:01]We're good for another half hour or so?

Boomer Anderson: [01:19:03]Yeah. shit then don't, don't tempt me. what are your mornings look like rightnow? And, this isn't the best ending question, but I want to know what yourmornings look like, because both of you.

Well, dash, occasionally I talked to you in your morning,but, I imagine you guys both have some morning, interesting morning routines.

Dasha Maximov: [01:19:21]Mads has good ones cover as

Mads Friis: [01:19:23]well. So mine just changed. We could go because the temperature changed. So mymorning routine right now is, I wake up, of course I have my Phillips lamp.

That's that lightening of the room. I either snooze at onceor I get up, I open the window. I look up into the air. That's the first thingto kind of see the light from the sky. First I do a proper breathing, do somestretching. Not that flexible. That's something to work on. And then I got outsideof PE drink water, and my phone is still on flight mode at this point.

So I sleep with my phone on flight mode and it's in myliving room or in my kitchen. And then I turn on my red light, a big red lightthat I have that I sit up against. And then I turn onto meditation and that'show I start my day. And then after that, I turn on my phone and two weeks ago,when it was a bit warmer, it would be going down to the water straight away.

And they're jumping in the water. I'm meeting with someoneto exercise, but then Mike, it's getting cold.

Dasha Maximov: [01:20:20]You should be doing it more often. You like the cold water?

Mads Friis: [01:20:23]What a sauna, what a sauna, the sign is not coming up before another month anda half. And then a new Achaean again, swimming, sauna.

Boomer Anderson: [01:20:34]It's important to change those too, right?

Like. It is. Okay. I think there's people out there that tryto keep the same routine for years, or just stack things into their routine, tothe point where it takes up half their day. So it was probably not,

Mads Friis: [01:20:48]I still go swimming once in a while and I'll like, I just need a little bitlonger in the morning.

so this last two weeks has been more work. Then normally,so, so I haven't had like that full hour in the morning to just exerciseswimming is one. I haven't prioritized that. I prioritize sleep as the numberone thing.

Dasha Maximov: [01:21:07]Hmm. Well, what about you?

Boomer Anderson: [01:21:12]Hm,

Mads Friis: [01:21:13]I miss it.

Boomer Anderson: [01:21:15]Oh, wow. Is there a lot of tech in the morning? not necessarily. So the firstthing I usually do when I wake up is meditate or drink a glass of watermedicine, after meditate. I will do the whole journaling process and start toreally sort of look at my day and say, okay,

Mads Friis: [01:21:35]what

Boomer Anderson: [01:21:37]possibly is my priority for the day?

This is before I check Slack or teams or whatever. Sort ofdevice. and then I start different musics. So there's, there's some interestingstuff that is, there's like a Hindu prayer with a rhythm in the background, asI'm walking around that is actually shown to calm you. And then after that,I'll go through a sequence of just kind of like upbeat.

Almost motivational music that you wouldn't expect. And solet me, let me give you a couple of those tunes. so one of them is I want itall by queen. the other one is defying gravity from the wicked soundtrack. Andthe third one, which is my current jam is, My shot from the Hamiltonsoundtrack, which is like three songs that I never thought I would everlistened to.

And so I'm doing that as I'm kind of progressing through theplanning of the day, once that's all done, I will start reading something. Andif I could do a little bit of reading before I dive into the proverbial, thematrix, that helps in that reading is usually something very challenging. whichright now is evolutionary game theory.

So that's, that's my morning. And maybe I'll go walk for awalk in nature too.

Mads Friis: [01:22:54]I, after you get songs and there's nothing wrong about Jesus songs ormotivational songs, I used to listen to a bunch of those super cheesy videos.Like how hard do you want it counted wrong? Or are there conversations  yes. The one where he goes to the beat and hegoes swimming.

And, yeah, he almost drowned, but, some of those kind ofvideos I gotta, I gotta admit that I really enjoyed them. I don't business anylonger. I should probably get that into my daily routine again,

Boomer Anderson: [01:23:24]but it's, it's like, for me, it's just a reminder to speak up. Right. So if youlook at the lyrics of each one of those songs, it's rather than sit back, likespeak up.

Good. That's okay. and yeah. That's fun. Ms. Maximov

Dasha Maximov: [01:23:38]can I ask, can I ask a favor? Can I get playlist from both of you guys? I feellike I want, I want a Spotify playlist of the chill, like the prayer ones. Andthen I want the motivational ones because I'm not going to go out and findthem, but I'd be really interested to have,

Boomer Anderson: [01:23:54]yeah.

People start following you on Spotify. That's going to it'sthe new Instagram.

Mads Friis: [01:23:59]So I used to have my MP3 player that didn't allow for that many songs.

Boomer Anderson: [01:24:04]Hmm. Yeah.

Mads Friis: [01:24:04]So I had probably like 10 of those motivational songs and then like 10 otherlike real songs. So that was like when I was going for a run and so on.

So that is going back actually to the social programmingBruno, I think I've, I've been lucky to get a lot of the more positive socialprogramming by listening to it again. And again, I could, like, you couldprobably tell that better than singing a song because I remember the director,but I'll spare you from that today.

Dasha Maximov: [01:24:34]The next step, next step for the

Boomer Anderson: [01:24:35]next episode, wrapping it. Yeah, you're new. There's going to be around too.

Mads Friis: [01:24:39]So,

Dasha Maximov: [01:24:42]so I don't, I don't think I'm, as, I'm not, I wish I was more strict with mymornings because they are, yeah, they, there are the best times. I. Find thatbeing on the West coast is really, really detrimental to my mornings to be veryFrank.

because I have people that I want to talk to, like the twoof you, you and my family who's in Europe. and the morning time was the besttime. so before I was very, very protective of it, when I was living in Bostonwhere I was in London. and, and yeah, that was just my sacred time. Now it'snot.

As productive, but if it was, or when I was in Boston, whatI would do is I would wake up in the morning. and night it was nice because thesun would come straight into my room. and I would stare at the sun, the firsthour of the sun specific, typically it was, if something, yeah. I started whenI was in India.

and it's yeah, I just love it. I love seeing that that's.That ball of gold, just kind of rise up. and I'm not burning my retina. andthat for me is kind of also the, the moment of, of meditation or the, that timeof meditation. what I do here now is I will usually wake up and, Kind of tryand sit in, you know, when the, you know, those first moments of waking up whenyou're not yet awake and you're still asleep and that kind of that in betweenland, when I think your default mode network hasn't yet like completely turnedon, I try and sit in that as much as possible.

either remembering a dream or just wallowing in it. and Ijust, I like it. I just like that. then I usually will, again, I'll try andI'll, I'll be meditating. Either. And usually that's a question that I'mthinking about, or I'll, if I'm, if I'm not too, if I'm not too focused and Ireally like the waking up app, what's Sam Harris.

I think he does a beautiful, beautiful job. and then, yeah,I'll try and read something, or journal, one or the other before turning onturning all of that on, I. Used to have a very good yoga practice in themorning. past couple of weeks. I haven't and I feel the detriment. I feel thatI'm actually more, but it's one of those little nibbles of, Oh, I don't, Idon't have time.

I need to, you know, I need to start on my work. Right. Iknow that the emails are coming in or that they're there already have been inthere sitting there for hours. so I need to get started. So it's, I need to.See that little voice and tell her to shut up, and take more time for myself inthe mornings.

So thank you boomer for telling me or asking me the questionthat I know I need to do something about and an upgrade.

Boomer Anderson: [01:27:10]what are you looking forward to most at the, with the rest of 20, 21 quarterleft? What do you think?

And this will be the final question.

Dasha Maximov: [01:27:28]for it to be over.

What am I looking most? I have a friend who's gonna becoming to visit. and I'm really looking forward to seeing her, Kiki Bosch, ifanybody is aware or knows her, she's just a joy. So, yeah. Being surrounded bysomebody. Good. and I'll probably be going down, to visit some friends down inLA as well.

so yeah, as the world starts to open up, I'm realizing howmuch, again I learn from others. So choosing specific individuals that I, thatI know are safe, that, you know, haven't been looking. The edges of grocerycarts and getting COVID. I don't know why I'm picking that up. but yeah,visiting people who I really like

Mads Friis: [01:28:14]it is a practice that I'm working on right now, which is kind of a baby for me.One of the companies, it's a well virtual wellbeing companion. So it changingname right now, but I guess when this is out, they will, we might be able toput link, but basically it's, it's chatbot based on cognitive behavior therapyand we're helping people that are having a hard time to look at their thoughtsin a different way to restructure them.

So things as the gratitude journal that we talked about and,getting that out to more people, talking to the users, we've had some of thelight user conversations already, and that's when we talked about meaning andso on, like, When you hear a person that's having a hard time showing them howsomething as simple as some digital device that you were part of building isimpacting the life and looking at the feedback from more than 400 people thatare saying like 90% actually thinks it's a cell phone, like adding thosenumbers to a higher degree in reducing that impact.

That's one of my biggest things for 2020.

Boomer Anderson: [01:29:15]And anyone who's listening to this right now and just go and watch the YouTubevideo and just watch Mads his face light up when he's talking about this. SoMads, what's the name of the company? Can you tell us the new name? Cause itwon't, this won't be out until mid to late October.

Mads Friis: [01:29:29]We a ride now freaking out where we can, we can get trademarks fall. So

Boomer Anderson: [01:29:33]yeah. Fair enough. all right. I guess it's mine. So. last month of 2020, what'sbeen interesting is I I've just found this like an interesting

2020 has been fascinating to me and that it was everythingthat I didn't expect in so much more. Like you started out with a plan in 2020,you threw that shit out the door in February, right? And, and I did, and what'sbeen funny is just growing to love the uncertainty or try to fall in love withthe uncertainty is probably the more appropriate phase.

And so I look forward to Q4 bringing more uncertainty andfinding ways to live thrive, and just be positive in that uncertainty. And Ithink this is sort of. Going to be a continued journey and yeah, that's, that'swhat I look forward to most the rest of 2020. Yeah. There's going to be somecool products that I'm going to launch and that's great, but I look forward tojust figuring out how to live with all of the uncertainty.

Dasha Maximov: [01:30:44]That's a good one, especially for you who really likes the certainty.

Boomer Anderson: [01:30:49]Don't tell anyone. All right. Where can people find out more about you guys?Oh, okay. Yeah, we should do that.

Dasha Maximov: [01:31:00]so I run wealth co women's health community it's whealth.community. it is awomen's platform, specifically for women biohackers and health optimizers.

And we have a forum there. We have a number of amazingexperts, that talk about specifically about things within this biohackingworld. Specific to women. so it was a forum. You can ask questions. so I wouldgo there. the Instagram was @whealth.co. I'm also on Instagram, @_dashofhealth.

Get the pun. yeah, those two.

Boomer Anderson: [01:31:35]Mr freeze. Where can we find you?

Mads Friis: [01:31:37]Either on LinkedIn or Instagram, LinkedIn Mads Misiak Friis. I'm not going totry and spell that. I think we can get a little concerned and Instagram is messMF, so mad as MF, and then the podcast growth Island. So growth and growing andan Island flag, a wonderful place.

You can grow. Growth Island at IO are probably the twoplaces. And if you're interested in building ventures, when in health, you cango to Kane, we'll put them in the show notes as well that come, that's where wewere building companies. And we're always looking for, for co-founders

Boomer Anderson: [01:32:09]beautiful friends has been an absolute pleasure.

I wish we could have done this in Portugal, but we're gonna,we're going to make that happen. I think maybe by the end of the year or if notearly next year.

Dasha Maximov: [01:32:21]Hopefully my birthday, we can all get together November timeframe.

Boomer Anderson: [01:32:24]Okay. I like that idea. I may actually be in your neck of the woods inNovember, so I'm trying to make that happen.

Dasha Maximov: [01:32:31]Good times in the boom, boom room.

Boomer Anderson: [01:32:34]Awesome to everyone. All of you superhumans listening out there have anabsolutely Epic day. And thank you for listening.

All right. Super humans only. I like to change it up on you.So let me know what you thought about that format for the podcast. It's alwaysgreat. Having friends like Dash and Mads on the show to just discuss all thecommon things that we're dealing with. I hope you enjoyed the open conversationand I promise to click record on more of those in the future.

If you enjoyed it. Share it on the social medias, Instagramtick tock, LinkedIn, wherever you are tagged decoding superhuman, Mads, Dash ormyself, and let us know what you think. The show notes for this one aredecodingsuperhuman.com/trio. That's T R I O. Have an absolutely Epic, amazinginsert your adjective here. It's that as positive day.


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